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CSerp in here...

Postby vinceschubert » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:07 am

Hi, give me a name to call you.
First a contract.
Are you willing to;
(try and) post every day ?
To give 120% honesty to yourself and me ?
To relate only from your own experiencing, no second hand knowledge, quoting etc.
To suspend all other seeking type activities for the duration of this ? (reading, viewing, meditating etc.)
Not expect a transfer of knowledge. We are not teachers.
I will ask questions, you will not attempt to answer them for me, you will communicate the response that you experience to me. The questions are to position you to SEE, to DISCOVER, to RECOGNISE something for yourself.
Agreed ?

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Now, give me a rant on what your expectations are for being here. Your hopes, desires and what you actually expect might happen.

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Re: CSerp in here...

Postby CSerp » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:30 am

Hi, give me a name to call you. Daniel
First a contract.
Are you willing to;
(try and) post every day ? Yes
To give 120% honesty to yourself and me ? Yes
To relate only from your own experiencing, no second hand knowledge, quoting etc. Yes
To suspend all other seeking type activities for the duration of this ? (reading, viewing, meditating etc.) Yes
Not expect a transfer of knowledge. We are not teachers. Yes
I will ask questions, you will not attempt to answer them for me, you will communicate the response that you experience to me. The questions are to position you to SEE, to DISCOVER, to RECOGNISE something for yourself.
Agreed ?
Yes

I expect that this will create freedom. Freedom from my whirlwind mind.

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Re: CSerp in here...

Postby vinceschubert » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:57 am

Hi Daniel.
I expect that this will create freedom.
Ok, define "freedom".
How will you know that you have it ?
Do you expect it will be there all of the time ?
Freedom from my whirlwind mind.
Is your mind holding you captive ? Are you a victim of your mind ?

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Re: CSerp in here...

Postby CSerp » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:48 pm

Hi Daniel.
I expect that this will create freedom.
Ok, define "freedom".
Absence of worry and fear.
How will you know that you have it ?
"I" won't.
Do you expect it will be there all of the time ?
Yes.
Freedom from my whirlwind mind.
Is your mind holding you captive ? Are you a victim of your mind ? In the sense that it persuades me toward false ideas.

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Postby vinceschubert » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:48 pm

Daniel, when you say;
Absence of worry and fear.
Would you say that both if these 'conditions' originate in thought ?
Do you expect it will be there all of the time ?
Yes.
How much would you sat that worry and fear are habit ?
In the sense that it persuades me toward false ideas.
Is the mind anything more than ideas, thoughts ?

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Re: CSerp in here...

Postby CSerp » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:21 pm

Daniel, when you say;
Absence of worry and fear.
Would you say that both if these 'conditions' originate in thought ? Absolutely, yes.
Do you expect it will be there all of the time ?
Yes.
How much would you sat that worry and fear are habit ? Wow. I'd have to say they are definitely habits.
In the sense that it persuades me toward false ideas.
Is the mind anything more than ideas, thoughts ?
No. That's exactly what it is, nothing more.

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Re: CSerp in here...

Postby CSerp » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:45 pm

I've been the type to even try to replay conversations I've had and come up with better scenarios on how it "should" have gone down. I second guess at every turn, as if that might help. When I've interrupted myself in this on occassion, it always appears to me that I'm insane. I hate to imagine how often it's happened when I didn't even notice.

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Postby vinceschubert » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:26 pm

Morning Daniel.
Of the (estimated) Seventy thousand thoughts you have every day, How many would you say are useful ?
Does a thought have any inherent credibility, just because it is there ?
Can you identify where thoughts come from with your own direct experiencing ?

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Re: CSerp in here...

Postby CSerp » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:40 am

Morning Daniel.Good morning Vince
Of the (estimated) Seventy thousand thoughts you have every day, How many would you say are useful ?A handful maybe. I don't know. Where are they coming from, anyway?
Does a thought have any inherent credibility, just because it is there ?I'm beginning to think not.
Can you identify where thoughts come from with your own direct experiencing ?Ahh...exactly! I have no clue.

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Re: CSerp in here...

Postby CSerp » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:56 am

Morning Daniel.Good morning Vince
Of the (estimated) Seventy thousand thoughts you have every day, How many would you say are useful ?A handful maybe. I don't know. Where are they coming from, anyway?
Does a thought have any inherent credibility, just because it is there ?I'm beginning to think not.
Can you identify where thoughts come from with your own direct experiencing ?Ahh...exactly! I have no clue.
Direct experiencing?

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Postby vinceschubert » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:18 pm

Can you see that many of your thoughts are repetitive ?
Particularly the ones that define your likes and dislikes ?
Can you see that they have built a story of Daniel ?

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Re: CSerp in here...

Postby CSerp » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:07 pm

Can you see that many of your thoughts are repetitive ?Sure.
Particularly the ones that define your likes and dislikes ?It's almost like those are built in. Like there's really no choice to be made.
Can you see that they have built a story of Daniel ?I had to sit with this one for a bit. I guess it IS just a series of thoughts that make up what we believe we are.[/quote

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Postby vinceschubert » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:29 pm

Like there's really no choice to be made.
This is a biggie. Yes, the idea of choice is an illusion. To be more accurate, the idea that a self makes choices is the delusion. Research has shown that choice is made by the brain up to six seconds before the mind becomes aware of it. (i'll send a link to that later)
I guess it IS just a series of thoughts that make up what we believe we are.
Ok, LOOK, make your own discovery about this. See if you can find anything else, in any form that constitutes your "self".

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Re: CSerp in here...

Postby CSerp » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:32 am

Like there's really no choice to be made.
This is a biggie. Yes, the idea of choice is an illusion. To be more accurate, the idea that a self makes choices is the delusion. Research has shown that choice is made by the brain up to six seconds before the mind becomes aware of it. (i'll send a link to that later)
I guess it IS just a series of thoughts that make up what we believe we are.
Ok, LOOK, make your own discovery about this. See if you can find anything else, in any form that constitutes your "self".I've been trying to find a way to identify my "self" today since I read your suggestion. So far, I'm not finding anything to hang my hat on. I never realized it would be difficult to find me.

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Re: CSerp in here...

Postby vinceschubert » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:27 am

So far, I'm not finding anything to hang my hat on.
Ok, keep looking until you are absolutely sure.
I never realized it would be difficult to find me.
Yes, it's amazing how the (almost) whole world take this for granted. Even our language leads us up the garden path.
While you're at it, see if you can see who or what experiences experience.


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