There seems to be 'something' that lost touch with direct experience because a thought or construct is 'believed' and again it appears that thoughts conjoin or get velcro'd to arising feelings and sensations to the point - they appear to take up all space in awareness - as if clouds are blocking the sun. That said - direct experience seems to immediately reappear and the thought is seen for what it is - a temporary expression that holds no weight. Thus it could be said no one lost touch but it does appear, in those moments, awareness loses touch with itself. At the same time, this is an illusion because it is clearly seen awareness is the only thing that really exists.
There is nothing that has lost touch with direct experience. Your answer comes from thinking : you are making inferences. Now let’s talk about arising thoughts and direct experience. You say, there is only awareness, that means that there is no you, no me, no other. Are you expecting to live 24/7 direct experience? No. There is what we call direct experience and there are thoughts. And there is “being lost in thoughts” but there is no you or something to be lost in thoughts.
The value of this question is priceless. In short, thoughts just appear, the body-mind appears to react to certain triggers, attention appears to go on auto pilot or slows down and seems more consciously directed. Is there a "me" doing this? Again, this one can't be found... something is confused here about all of this. There is a sense that attention can be directed but I cannot say who is directing it. There is something that inquires - something interested in this inquiry - it appears to be localized here and it is clear other body-minds do not appear to hold this same interest. Not sure what to make of that :).
Yes thoughts just appear and the body mind reacts to triggers due to your conditionings : culture, religion, education, society, … You say the “me” doing this cannot be found but you don’t accept what you have seen. Why? Because during all your life, you have been told that a verb needs a subject or in other terms, an experience needs an experiencer or a deed needs a doer. That is a conditioning of all mankind. The same conclusion is valuable for directing attention ; there is no you directing it.
“There is something that inquires - something interested in this inquiry - it appears to be localized here and it is clear other body-minds do not appear to hold this same interest. Not sure what to make of that :)”
Can you see clearly that this sentence is a train of thoughts :one thought tracting another thought? Can you pinpoint to the “something” in direct experience? You THINK that “you”, the doer, the experiencer, the enquirer, … is localized in your body somewhere, possibly in the midst of you head, between your ears or behind your eyes. Can you pinpoint at this You in direct experience? Get out from thinking and come to looking.
Now, why do you call up other body minds? These are only thoughts which are arising.
“There appears to be a body-mind here that is experiencing different others and events.”
You use often the term “body- mind” : can you be clear about the concepts? What is a body in direct experience (what is seen, heard, smelt, tasted, sensed )? What is mind in direct experience? Does a mind exist outside of thoughts?
Is body mind really experiencing something? Is there really an experiencer or just experiences?
“At the same time, this experiencer of awareness appears localized through this body-mind. “
Is there an experiencer behind awareness? What is awareness in your own words?
It is seen clearly that past and future are only thoughts or interpretations of what has or will happen. And yet it is clear one body-mind will interpret past events differently from this one. And future prophecies have rarely unfolded according to guesses made. And the sense of responsibility is also just a thought yet is a thought still believed in strongly. All that said, when full presence is experienced - the body-mind seems to know what to do now (in that moment) and it seems far more effective than trying to plan ahead... if that makes sense.
“It is seen clearly that past and future are only thoughts or interpretations of what has or will happen.” Good. The on going text you wrote is about thoughts : it does not come from direct experience.
What I mean by "It" is awareness. This "IT" is the sense of existence that experiences life through the senses. It is the one aware of thoughts, feelings and sensations as well as the space around them.
Yes for what you said. Now which is going to keep putting attention on IT?
Great catch LOL... All that can be said is there is a sense when thoughts are identified with or trusted as real... but as is asked "who or what is trusting these thoughts?" This "IT" appears to be just another thought.
To believe is to give existence to something which is real or not real. The belief continues to show because you don’t give time to LOOK or you don’t have enough light to see. It is like the snake and the rope story. In twilight, the man was afraid when seeing the snake. Then a sage said to him, look it is a rope not a snake. When the man has seen for sure that it is a rope, the fear is gone. The thoughts are only thoughts, you have to see them as what they are, thoughts which have no existence in reality. You said “this IT appears to be just another thought” : few sentences before, you said IT is awareness, now you say it is a thought. Yes “IT” is a concept but it points to awareness. If IT is a thought, can a thought be aware ?
This ultimate thought of "I" clearly wants to believe it is in charge... and many thoughts seem to make the case for the validity of this belief. And "Others" appear outside of me that reinforce this sense of being in charge of one's like and being responsible. Yet, again, what this "I" sees as others is only an interpretation of those "other appearances." And it is seen that thoughts of shame or guilt or should that arise reinforce the importance of believing there is an "small i" in charge or responsible. It is all just a web of thoughts that appear connected to build a grand illusion.
A long train of thoughts here. Now again, can a thought “I” want or believe or do or see or hear whatever it is?
Yes others appear outside of you when there is identification to your body. You are afraid to let go because you BELIEVE that You are in control of Your life.
And there is also a longing felt... that desires to be free from all of it, to not be restrained by any of it.. to lean into the spontaneity of life as it is unfolding now - without regard for concepts of responsibility or being in charge or control or to show up any other way than what is actually appearing. Yet, while that is felt deeply ... it too is just a thought. Although, it is one something inside is strongly attracted to and it cannot be said why it is.
For WHOM are they all these expectations ? Look at this Whom in direct experience.
PS :It will be of good help for you to read carefully each question and give an answer from direct experience. It won't help you elaborating on the subject and speculating. Can you see this : the looking only makes the man know that it is a rope and not a snake. This single Seeing is liberating. LOOK at this I which elaborating, wanting liberation, afraid of letting go, controling, being responsible, ... This I is the root of the hell and suffering. Look at this I and write back : does it exist in any shape or form? Does it have a color, a perfume or a taste ?