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Re: Freedom

Postby Katydidnext » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:49 am

Ok, well, this sense of self is a constellation of thoughts & ideas & sensations......and then there is awareness of all of this

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Re: Freedom

Postby Bananafish » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:51 am

Are thoughts, ideas and sensations different from what you call "awareness of all this?"
Can there be awareness without these, and vice versa?

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Re: Freedom

Postby Katydidnext » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:22 am

No they are not different - there just seems to be a different quality
There can't be awareness without the sensation and vice versa they are a simultaneous experience

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Re: Freedom

Postby Bananafish » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:33 am

Does awareness have a special quality?
What kind of quality is it?

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Re: Freedom

Postby Katydidnext » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:37 am

It seems to be more spacious and accepting and warm and unlimited

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Re: Freedom

Postby Bananafish » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:40 am

What about something that isn't accepting?

Is it still "awareness?"

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Re: Freedom

Postby Katydidnext » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:51 am

No I don't think so - I think that is a view
awareness accepts everything - sees everything and is without views

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Re: Freedom

Postby Bananafish » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:45 am

Do you mean that awarenesses and something that isn't accepting are
two things that are different?

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Re: Freedom

Postby Katydidnext » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:58 pm

Yes that is what I meant ... but that is also a view
When I look, I see that we experience and interpret our experiences almost simultaneously
The experience comes first without a division of experiencer and experience ... and then we add to it
I am invested in the idea of awareness being vast and simply experiencing whatever happens biut maybe what I am calling awareness is simply part of the experience - it jus is...whatever it is... accepting/non accepting
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Re: Freedom

Postby Bananafish » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:48 pm

Hi. :)

Would you elaborate on what awareness as "part of experience" is?

What is "awareness?"

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Re: Freedom

Postby Katydidnext » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:20 am

Hi ,
I seem to be going round in circles.
I think what I have been calling awareness is that sense of something more that the thinking fuction - the sense of aliveness without limits. This is experience. It can't be part of esperience it must all be experience, the sense of knowing prior to cognition/thoughts.
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Re: Freedom

Postby Bananafish » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:20 pm

Do you mean that thoughts are not "awareness?"

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Re: Freedom

Postby Katydidnext » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:50 am

No. I think thoughts are part of awareness but in awareness there is also the abitlity to perceive thoughts, so it must be something bigger than thought function.
Hope this makes sense
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Re: Freedom

Postby Bananafish » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:52 am

Ok, and what about when you don't think about all these (what you wrote)?

Is it still so?

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Re: Freedom

Postby Katydidnext » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:22 am

Are you asking if awareness is still there even when we aren't thinking? Yes I would say so
Are you asking if awareness is aware of all thoughts, then yes again


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