The everyday belief is that there are:
This is the first I heard of this third one "seen", but this puts things in a different perspective, an already happening vs being part of the actual event, which allows things to be seen differently.How many are actually present? All three? Just two? Or one?
So I now see that there is only one, the seen.
Shouldn't we not be using the word looking then and only looked?
There is no SEER at all, only the SEEN.Please read your above comment thoroughly. You are repeatedly saying that “I see” or "I do not see".
Is there an ‘I’ or anything that sees?
It’s the same question as above:
Is there a SEER + SEEN?
I start the sentences with "I see" so you know I am looking with fresh eyes vs just thinking.So experience is happening without the ‘I’ doing anything.
But you say: “I see this is not real. I see this is another illusion…”
What is it that is seeing that it’s not real?
What is it that is seeing this as another illusion?
There is nothing seeing anything. It is very clear that I am not doing anything. Things are just happening. Things are happening all day long if I am looking or not looking, things continue to happen. I see my body moving and doing things without "me" deciding. As things happen, thoughts arise the say what is happening, and that is it, nothing more.
There is nobody that labels anything as real or an illusion but another thought.
I hadn't realized the difference here, but I understand what you are saying now.In everyday language we say that there are 3 things:
1. a watcher (the subject of experience)
2. the watched (the experience itself)
3. watching, a verb, which is the ability of the watcher (1).
So 1 & 2 are linked by the 3. Watching is the ability of the watcher.
So if you talk about watching (verb) then there has to be a subject, a watcher, who is doing the watching.
But the question is:
Is there a watcher?
Is there the ability of watching?
Or there is only the watched?
And I see, there is only the watched.
This may just be a play on words. I do not see the "I" doing or watching anything.So HOW and WHERE is watching (as a verb, ability) is happening?
And what is the 'I' that sees watching happening?
I really seemed to be seeing things as is, but as soon as you questioned what I was saying, thoughts continued to arise saying things to question my understanding. There is no "I" so nothing attached to anything and I look again and still do not see it.And WHAT is it EXACTLY that re-attached to the ‘I’?
WHERE is the one that is attaching to the ‘I’?
And what is it that FEELS re-attached?
The feeling of "Attached" was actually frustration.
I realize there are more beliefs to drop.
No, it does not matter if we are looking or not looking the "I" is still an illusion.Just because it isn’t seen 24/7 that the I is an illusion, does that change the fact that the self is just an illusion?
Is there an expectation to see this 24/7?
I see now that we may not see through the illusion 24x7, but when I am in the illusion, I sometimes believe the thought story.
Then when I realize I am listening to the thoughts, I look for the "I" and see the "I" doesn't exist.