Just to clarify…thought is not imaginary…thought is also actual experience. What thought is pointing to is either actual experience (AE) or thoughts about thought, but it's still AE of thought.Ok it's clear that the content of thought is imaginary, which means that it is also thought and only thought.You got to see that phenomena (sound, thought, smell, taste, sensation, colour) are known, but the knowledge ABOUT phenomena are simply AE of thought. Actual experience is everything, except the "content" of thought, because thought, in and of itself does not contain any actual experience.
Thought either points to AE or to thought about thoughts. So in that sense, not everything is story. It looks like it could be until you look a little closer.
Sound labelled "tweet" isn't story, but story can say that a blue bird down the street made that sound. Taste labelled "sweet" isn't a story, but story can be, "I love chocolate ice cream." Colour (image) isn't story, but thought could say, "Wow! What a spectacular sunset!"
Now, if image labelled "sunset," isn't experience as you presently find it to be, then it IS story.
See the difference?
It takes careful looking and takes several times doing the careful looking to see what is being pointed to.When observed more closely, it results so clearly from experience that I wonder wy I didn't see this before.There is no one/no thing that is controlling or choosing what is being ‘awared’.
Yes…you are clear about AE and content of thought! Nice.Yes, sometimes sadness arises. It always starts with thoughts; I get caught up in the content of thoughts and then suddenly sadness overwhelms me. When I realize that sadness overwhelms me, I realize that I have become the prisoner of my thought process. I focus on the fact that it is all only thoughts. Sadness is just made of labels and thoughts. This is why, in fact, sadness doesn't exist, it isn't an AE, just like the apple.Is fear or any other emotion is arising for you? If so, let me know and we will look at it together.
It is important to totally allow the feelings labelled as sadness to arise without trying to dismiss them or avoid them. To just be with them. It is important to embrace what is appearing no matter what it is labelled as. What helps to do this, is by seeing what is AE, as then this can help in not getting caught up/overwhelmed in the content of thought, mental images and the feelings whether they are subtle or intense.
It is important to note that we are not denying that the idea of ‘sadness’ is appearing…we are looking to see what actually IS and embracing what IS. And by looking at what IS, we can see that sadness is not happening TO a someone, it is simply happening. Having an aversion towards something and not wanting it to happen is what causes suffering.
There is no ‘awareness’ AND thoughts. This is separation.Only the thoughts are experienced. The content of the thoughts are just other thoughts about the previous thoughts. Thoughts are temporary phenomena that I observe but from which my awareness is distinct. Awareness just is aware and thoughts are just thinking.
Have a very careful look…where does thought (the known) end and the knowing of it begin?
Yes..that it okay because the content of thought is thought…right? Is thinking anything other than a succession of thoughts, linked by another thought?During the day, I regularly watched the thoughts that appeared. It’s difficult to see when a thought arises because when it arises attention lies within the content of the thought.observe each and every thought as it arises and subsides
The actual experience of thought isn't any different just because the content of the thought is different. A thought and its content are just ALL thought. It is being aware of ALL thoughts and just ignoring what they are saying for this exercise.
It is also just an appearing thought that says “It’s difficult to see when a thought arises because when it arises attention lies within the content of the thought”!
Hmmm….if you weren’t aware of a thought, then how could a thought be known? Can a thought hide somewhere without you being aware of it? Where would it hide exactly and for what purpose? A thought knows nothing…it isn’t sitting in a parking lot somewhere waiting for its cue to appear! Everything that you wrote in this paragraph is a thought!If there’s awareness of the thought when it arises, the thought stops immediately. If there’s awareness of the thought when it is fully deployed the thought also disappears, but a little slower, it echoes a bit. Because of this disappearance, reversely, it may seem that it is when the thought is subsiding that awareness of the thought arises. It is clear that the two exclude each other, a bit like a thief that you only see when he has left or that, more precisely, you just don't see - because he just left.
A thought is known, yes…as is colour, smell, taste etc. Where does thought (known) end, and the knowing of it begin? Can you find a dividing line between the knowing of thought and the thought itself? Or is there simply knowingknown – ie no dividing line?
Without thought saying "The gap between thoughts seems to be more natural than the thoughts themselves. The gap seems to be peace and well being or harmony"...how would this be known?The gap between thoughts seems to be more natural than the thoughts themselves. The gap seems to be peace and well being or harmony.Please do the following exercise: Throughout your waking day, try to observe the gap between thoughts as often as possible. It can be done by noticing that ‘thinking’ is happening right now, then stop and just simply wait for the next thought to come.
In the ‘waiting’ there is a gap between two thoughts. Let me know how you go.
"Thinking seems to be an activity"....to whom/what is it an activity?Thinking seems to be an activity whereas the gap between the thoughts seems just "being", without an additional activity. I see that during the gap between thoughts I'm more "one", more natural,whereas thinking implies there being a split in awareness, something like awareness reverberating itself.
How is it known that a gap has appeared?
Yes…thoughts just appear, there is no one/no thing creating thoughts.Between the gaps there's thinking. Thoughts happen out of the blue, they appear, out of nothing or maybe it would be more correct to say « out of everything ».Could you find a thinker of thought between the gaps?
Just as attention is not (and cannot be) created by someone or something outside of itself, I see that a thought is not created by something or someone outside of itself, it appears, just like sensations.
Yes…great observation!So, no, there’s no thinker, neither between the gaps, neither during the gaps.
During the gap there can't be a thinker because there's no thought and a thinker without thought is not a thinker.
Lovely! Yes, it's ALL thoughts!During the thought there can be no thinker because the thought is already existent ("during").
If there would be a thinker that makes a thought, he first should have to conceive or think of the thought he’d have to make. Therefore, the thought would have been thought before it came into existence, which is logically impossible.
So not only do I not see a thinker, I also think the existence of a thinker is logically impossible.
Ok, it's all thoughts :)