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Re: Letting Go

Postby adilerten » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:25 pm

Yes the expectation is a tricky one, it creeps up on me without realising sometimes! Because it seems paradoxical......if theres no where to go, why am I doing this, so used to linear things, time etc.....
Bitter truth is this what you say.
There is no where to go. It was always "this".. "now"..
It is totally meaningless.
Some call it gorgeous beautiful meaninglessness.. :)
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Letting Go

Postby adilerten » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:26 pm

This one was a bit clearer I don't know why, just pressure sensation and almost could say there was only one point of pressure, no head..... hmmm
Good looking!
Sure there is pressure and the thought story of a head..
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Letting Go

Postby adilerten » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:29 pm

Let the resistance be there. When it appears feel it. Look at it.
see if you can find the feeler ?
No I can't locate the feeler
What are the feelings happening to?
I can't recognise anything it is 'happening to'
Is there a gap between a feeler, felt and the feeling?
No gap
Or there is just feeling plus different labels and stories about what is happening?
Yes there is just this and the story, so I know it's just the story, of course, it's only thought.......I'm just going to have to keep reminding myself that and hope it sinks in.....
Very good looking dear Katy.
There is sensation yes. But the thought story of that sensation is not true.
Sometimes you feel like keys are in your pocket you swear they are there.. But you LOOK by touching your pocket and see that they are not there.
So these feeling (subtle thought) does not say the truth all the time.
That's why we don't rely on thought.
We only trust in LOOKING!
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Letting Go

Postby adilerten » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:32 pm

Let's look at this idea of "Time" then..
There is a general assumption that there is linear time that started (if started at all) somewhere very far in the past and advances to the distant future. The present moment (now) is considered to be a very small fragment of time, or an event that is moving forward on a linear line, coming from the past and advancing to the future.

But is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time?
Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?
Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?


How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving? Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began? How long does the ‘now’ last? Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?
When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'? What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?
So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Letting Go

Postby Katy » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:12 pm

Bitter truth is this what you say.
There is no where to go. It was always "this".. "now"..
It is totally meaningless.
Some call it gorgeous beautiful meaninglessness.. :)
I like that...... gorgeous beautiful meaninglessness :)
Very good looking dear Katy.
There is sensation yes. But the thought story of that sensation is not true.
Sometimes you feel like keys are in your pocket you swear they are there.. But you LOOK by touching your pocket and see that they are not there.
So these feeling (subtle thought) does not say the truth all the time.
That's why we don't rely on thought.
We only trust in LOOKING!
Yes this is slowly sinking in, last night I was going through the elimination process again....I am not sensation etc......it was all so very clear by the time I got to thought, 'I am not thought' 'how can I be a thought?' 'So where is this 'me'' .......obviously it's not there :) and the world didn't end haha, I wanted to carry on looking at that but it was late and I was already in bed and given 3 relatively sleepless nights in a row, thought I'd better just go to sleep!

Then this morning on my walk back from nursery, I felt very empty again like I did the last time......relief and a feeling of the 'body' ;) relaxing just knowing I didn't have to keep up any 'stories' or ideas about myself and my life, and that I was not in control, surprising how relieved that makes me feel! ......just took in the view and noticed things without using their labels........had a thought about how crazy it seems everyone living in these bubbles of their own stories, people seemed like dense, maybe because I was feeling so empty....

Now I am back in the person more again now but not feeling frustrated that that moment passed, just letting the process unfold as it wants to, and trusting..... :)

Please bear with me Adil, I am looking at the time exercise now...

Much love

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Re: Letting Go

Postby adilerten » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:56 am

Bitter truth is this what you say.
There is no where to go. It was always "this".. "now"..
It is totally meaningless.
Some call it gorgeous beautiful meaninglessness.. :)
I like that...... gorgeous beautiful meaninglessness :)
Very good looking dear Katy.
There is sensation yes. But the thought story of that sensation is not true.
Sometimes you feel like keys are in your pocket you swear they are there.. But you LOOK by touching your pocket and see that they are not there.
So these feeling (subtle thought) does not say the truth all the time.
That's why we don't rely on thought.
We only trust in LOOKING!
Yes this is slowly sinking in, last night I was going through the elimination process again....I am not sensation etc......it was all so very clear by the time I got to thought, 'I am not thought' 'how can I be a thought?' 'So where is this 'me'' .......obviously it's not there :) and the world didn't end haha, I wanted to carry on looking at that but it was late and I was already in bed and given 3 relatively sleepless nights in a row, thought I'd better just go to sleep!

Then this morning on my walk back from nursery, I felt very empty again like I did the last time......relief and a feeling of the 'body' ;) relaxing just knowing I didn't have to keep up any 'stories' or ideas about myself and my life, and that I was not in control, surprising how relieved that makes me feel! ......just took in the view and noticed things without using their labels........had a thought about how crazy it seems everyone living in these bubbles of their own stories, people seemed like dense, maybe because I was feeling so empty....

Now I am back in the person more again now but not feeling frustrated that that moment passed, just letting the process unfold as it wants to, and trusting..... :)

Please bear with me Adil, I am looking at the time exercise now...

Much love
Thank you dear for telling me about the changes and the experiences.
It helps so much to see where you are..
Yes it is relaxing and a big relief to feel empty of thought and idea of separate self and sometimes "people" may look like zombies in their thought bubbles but..

If there is no you what is the actual experience of others ?
Is there really something called "others" ?
LOOK!


Now I am back in the person more again now but not feeling frustrated that that moment passed, j
I understand what you mean here but i must say to correct your thinking pattern:
There is no "person" to be back. There never was.
Just letting the process unfold as it wants to, and trusting..... :)
Brilliant..Go on looking, you are doing good.


See you on the time exercise..
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
Buddha

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Re: Letting Go

Postby Katy » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:10 pm

But is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time?


No there is just the moment, the idea of the line stretching from the past and into the future seems to collapse when I focus in looking in the moment

Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?
Nothing gives way, the seems to be continuous...
Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?
No events are just happening all in the present moment
How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving? Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began? How long does the ‘now’ last? Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?
There's no movement.....just one moment
No beggining, no end....it just is, it isn't either lasting or fleeting it's just always there


When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'? What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?
So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?

This doesn't happen in actual experience, nothing is past or future only the moment and that can't even be captured by thought it's just the moment being lived....I want to elabote but I'm not finding the right words, I think flowing is probably the closest I can come to it but not flowing in time just a flowing of experience.

No experience of 'time' just thoughts about time and story about time

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Re: Letting Go

Postby Katy » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:14 pm

I understand what you mean here but i must say to correct your thinking pattern:
There is no "person" to be back. There never was.
Yes I see the error here I'm using that way of thinking thank you for pointing it out, these are the subtler things I am missing

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Re: Letting Go

Postby Katy » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:31 pm

Yes it is relaxing and a big relief to feel empty of thought and idea of separate self and sometimes "people" may look like zombies in their thought bubbles but..

If there is no you what is the actual experience of others ?
Is there really something called "others" ?
LOOK!
Ah ok, now I am seeing, colour (and shape?), sound, sensation, thoughts of others is actual experience of 'others

Others is just another label

Feeling more like the space between the things labelled 'me' and 'others'

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Re: Letting Go

Postby adilerten » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:11 am

Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?
No events are just happening all in the present moment
How do you know this ? What is the actual experince of Present moment ?
Is there really something called present moment ?
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Letting Go

Postby adilerten » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:18 am

Yes it is relaxing and a big relief to feel empty of thought and idea of separate self and sometimes "people" may look like zombies in their thought bubbles but..

If there is no you what is the actual experience of others ?
Is there really something called "others" ?
LOOK!
Ah ok, now I am seeing, colour (and shape?), sound, sensation, thoughts of others is actual experience of 'others

Others is just another label

Feeling more like the space between the things labelled 'me' and 'others'

Warm wishes
Yes my dear.
Very good looking.

Just a label.
How are colours labelled as 'me' or as ‘people’ any different to the colour labelled as ‘grass’ ‘sky’ and 'clouds'? Concepts are not separate from THIS. They are the appearance of abstractions in/as THIS.
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Letting Go

Postby adilerten » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:09 am

Now let's look at this idea of free will,

Look back into the story of your life and find one important decision that you made. Can be anything..
Decision of marriage, choosing a car, a place to live..

Then ask this- could you have made a different decision at given circumstances?
Was that the best and only way to proceed?
Was there any free will involved, as in could you choose independently of situation? Was it you that made a choice or situation made you take the only way possible?
Can you choose something that is not "right"?


Write what you notice doing this exercise. Then bring focus to here now.
Can anything be different than what it already is? How do you know that?
What is that made the choose to be here now? Does it make a difference if you think that you made the choice to be here or not?
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Letting Go

Postby adilerten » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:32 pm

Hello Katy..
How do you see ? Are you focused on your process ?
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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