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Never born never died

Postby Truzio » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:18 pm

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?


There is no separate entity (me, person) there. The person is an idea or thought. We just believe we are the thought but we are not.
What are you looking for at LU?


I'm looking for liberation. I just want to stop this belief in "me" and be free of identification with the thought or the person.
Like somebody said: "I want to die before I die." And then live without suffering.
What do you expect from a guided conversation?


I expect that it would be flawless, easy, simple, direct and It should stop my belief in a thought (person). I expect someone who will guide me thru this investigation and realization of my true nature.
What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?


Starting seeking 38 ago with hatha yoga and had first experiences and insights. Practiced a few years TM meditation and Siddhi program. Then paused seeking for a few years and continued with Buddhist meditation Vipassana for 4 years doing 10 days silent retreats every 6 months. Vipassana helped me to realize that I don't want to meditate lives after lives to become enlightened. And I stopped to meditate about 8 years ago and find on the internet - Gangaji, advaita (nonduality) teacher, just to find her teacher Papaji whom I like very much and Mooji too. I also watched Youtube videos of other nonduality teachers like Tony Parsons, Rupert Spira, Lisa Cairns, Paul Hedderman, Jim Newman... and Nisargadatta Maharaj and I visited meetings of one local nonduality teacher. I've had many experiences and insights. Also I read your ebook Gatless Gatecrashers, and a bit of your forums arhives.
On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?


10

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Re: Never born never died

Postby Bananafish » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:08 am

Hi Truzio. :) Welcome to LU!

My name is Bananafish, one of the guides here.
I'd be more than glad to be your guide.



To begin with, could you tell what makes you identify
with the thought to the person?



Warm regards,


Bananafish

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Re: Never born never died

Postby Truzio » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:34 pm

Hi Bananafish :)

I am very glad you are my guide. Thank you.

To begin with, could you tell what makes you identify
with the thought to the person?

First what came to my mind was: "I don't know what makes me identify." Is it a belief? All I know is I am somehow identified with the body and the mind. And there is a story about this body (person) and the belief this person is real.

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Re: Never born never died

Postby Bananafish » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:13 am

Hello Truzio. :). Good to hear from you.


First what came to my mind was: "I don't know what makes me identify." Is it a belief? All I know is I am somehow identified with the body and the mind. And there is a story about this body (person) and the belief this person is real.


Isn’t it like naively believing in the existence of a fictional character in the movie? :)
Now, when you say “I am identified with body and the mind,” what is this “I” in the sentence?


Can you tell what it is and where exactly it resides?



Best wishes,



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Re: Never born never died

Postby Truzio » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:59 am

Hello Bananafish :)

Here are my answers.


Isn’t it like naively believing in the existence of a fictional character in the movie? :)

I totally agree it is naive.

Now, when you say “I am identified with body and the mind,” what is this “I” in the sentence?

"I" is a thought, an idea.

Can you tell what it is and where exactly it resides?

It is an idea and resides in memory.



Best regards,

Truzio

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Re: Never born never died

Postby Bananafish » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:57 pm

Hi Truzio. :)


”I" is a thought, an idea.


Can a thought identify with a body?


It is an idea and resides in memory.


What do you mean when you say an idea resides in memory?
Can anything reside in a memory?



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Re: Never born never died

Postby Truzio » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:54 am

Hi Bananafish :)

Can a thought identify with a body?

No, thought can't identify with the body. But, it seems something is identified or I wouldn't play my role in this life movie.

What do you mean when you say an idea resides in memory?

I mean that idea of me (person) is stored somewhere and I use a label "memory" for that place.

Can anything reside in a memory?

When I use this label "memory" I think it is the place where reside or is stored all my knowledge, my personal story, peoples stories, history, etc.


Thanks for helping me.

Truzio

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Re: Never born never died

Postby Bananafish » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:12 am

Hi Truzio. :)


it seems something is identified


What is that “something?” Can we clarify that?
Where is it, and in what kind of form does it exist?
Could you observe that seemingly existing “something?”


I mean that idea of me (person) is stored somewhere and I use a label "memory" for that place.
When I use this label "memory" I think it is the place where reside or is stored all my knowledge, my personal story, peoples stories, history, etc.


Could we clarify this “place” also?
Where exactly is that place? Can you point at it with your finger?



Warm regards,



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Re: Never born never died

Postby Truzio » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:13 pm

Hi Bananafish :)

What is that “something?” Can we clarify that?

I don't know what is it. I can't find it. Instead of "something" now it seems more like "nothing".

Where is it, and in what kind of form does it exist?

Again I don't know where is it. The thought comes I don't do this investigation right.
It doesn't have a form and probably because of that, I can't find it.

Could you observe that seemingly existing “something?”

No. I can't observe it. It's "nothing".

Could we clarify this “place” also?

The "place" doesn't exist too.

Where exactly is that place? Can you point at it with your finger?

It's just an imagination. No, I can't point at it with the finger.


Thanks again.


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Re: Never born never died

Postby Bananafish » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:06 am

Hi Truzio. :)


Instead of "something" now it seems more like "nothing".



Could you elaborate?



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Re: Never born never died

Postby Truzio » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:41 pm

Hi Bananafish :)

Could you elaborate?

I looked for "something" but couldn't find it in any shape or form, couldn't point at it with my finger. Looked for a "place" and couldn't find it. Because I couldn't find it with my senses, now it's "nothing".


Thank you,

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Re: Never born never died

Postby Bananafish » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:44 am

Hi Truzio. :)


I looked for "something" but couldn't find it in any shape or form, couldn't point at it with my finger. Looked for a "place" and couldn't find it. Because I couldn't find it with my senses, now it's "nothing".


Good that you saw this! Now, could you take some time to really feel the above
realization, let it sink, and report how you are feeling now? Has any kind of shift happened (a subtle one,
maybe)?


Any doubts or thoughts popping out?



Best wishes,



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Re: Never born never died

Postby Truzio » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:15 am

Hi Bananafish :)

take some time to really feel the above
realization, let it sink

I did this but it seems nothing happened.

how you are feeling now?

I feel the same like before.

Has any kind of shift happened (a subtle one,
maybe)?

I don't feel that the shift happened.

Any doubts or thoughts popping out?

A bit of disappointment.


Kind regards,

Truzio

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Re: Never born never died

Postby Bananafish » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:24 am

Hi Truzio. :)



Could you tell me what you expect to happen when a shift happens?



Best wishes,



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Re: Never born never died

Postby Truzio » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:57 am

Hi Bananafish :)

Could you tell me what you expect to happen when a shift happens?

It will change my life. I should feel more joy, more peace, more love, more light, more happiness. Life should be effortless. I would like to help people be happy maybe teach them how to be happy, etc.


Kind regards,

Truzio


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