Still stuck in fear of authority and what others think of me!

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Re: Still stuck in fear of authority and what others think of me!

Postby JamesH » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:20 am

Ah wonderful. Yes. There are following thoughts a d that's OK

Also there's noticing that any words used are labels at some point so it's impossible to describe any sensation without labeling it. So what to do? Hahaha. It is what it is!

The game is playing and what I really am is enjoying the ride!




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Re: Still stuck in fear of authority and what others think of me!

Postby JamesH » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:21 am

And by the way. I tried really hard to 'resolve is' and just gave up because I realised I couldn't


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Re: Still stuck in fear of authority and what others think of me!

Postby Norinke » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:22 pm

Also there's noticing that any words used are labels at some point so it's impossible to describe any sensation without labeling it.
So what to do? Hahaha. It is what it is!
Exactly! Just noticing that sensations appear and thoughts appear, dropping all the labels about the sensations.
And by the way. I tried really hard to 'resolve is' and just gave up because I realised I couldn't
Yes, good that you notice, it cannot be resolved with thoughts, so only looking! :)

So going back to previous question, answer these:

Can an "I" be found in the body?

At this moment, is there an "I" somewhere to be found?
Have a look around!

What does "I" point to?
Is there something corresponding in reality?
Or just more thoughts?

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Re: Still stuck in fear of authority and what others think of me!

Postby JamesH » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:13 pm

There's no I in reality

It's odd
I (um) can't find it yet it appears to be there.
Who or what is having these thoughts that there's no I!


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Re: Still stuck in fear of authority and what others think of me!

Postby Norinke » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:51 am

Who or what is having these thoughts that there's no I!
Ok, please answer each question below separately and describe a bit more what is seen:

Can an "I" be found in the body?

Is there an "I" somewhere to be found?

What does "I" point to?

Is there something corresponding in reality?

Or just more thoughts?

Look closely and let me know what is seen.

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Re: Still stuck in fear of authority and what others think of me!

Postby JamesH » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:43 am

Who or what is having these thoughts that there's no I!
Ok, please answer each question below separately and describe a bit more what is seen:

Can an "I" be found in the body?

Is there an "I" somewhere to be found?

What does "I" point to?

Is there something corresponding in reality?

Or just more thoughts?

Look closely and let me know what is seen.
I can't find a I in the body. I only have a sense that I exist because there are sensations that are being noticed. I know that sounds contradictory, the I that notices sounds like an I in the body but it's more like everywhere .

An I somewhere to be found. Yes and no as per my last answer.

I points to wants and needs which seem unbelievable once put into context. Still they are there.

There's a sense of being which is a kind of I.

There are thoughts that insist there is an I even though one can't be found. Quite odd. I notice thoughts arising to give a label to this sense of witnessing but they are not the same thing.

My thoughts expect a breakthrough from this revelation, however, that is not so, that is not happening. They continue regardless.


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Re: Still stuck in fear of authority and what others think of me!

Postby Norinke » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:36 pm

I can't find a I in the body. I only have a sense that I exist because there are sensations that are being noticed. I know that sounds contradictory, the I that notices sounds like an I in the body but it's more like everywhere
The sense of being/excistance is felt for sure. Excistance is happening.

Is "I" however keeping excistance excisting?
There are thoughts that insist there is an I even though one can't be found. Quite odd. I notice thoughts arising to give a label to this sense of witnessing but they are not the same thing.
Thoughts will continue happening, they will not stop explaining experience. That´s what thoughts do.
We are not trying to get rid of thoughts, rather notice that the "I" is only a label for a thought. A story.

If you drop the thoughts is there "I" left anywhere?

Has "I" ever been more than a thought?

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Re: Still stuck in fear of authority and what others think of me!

Postby JamesH » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:59 pm

Yes I see it. If thought is dropped there is no I.

By inference, I is the label to a story, or a link to the thoughts that reference themselves.

I've had this direct experience many times, however I'm surprised it is not permanent!

Looking more closely I can see that that too is part of the same story Ha...

Thoughts about escaping thoughts. Very funny

Any question I ask is just thought wanting to explain the unexplainable. It's a house of cards.


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Re: Still stuck in fear of authority and what others think of me!

Postby Norinke » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:34 pm

Yes I see it. If thought is dropped there is no I.

By inference, I is the label to a story, or a link to the thoughts that reference themselves.
Is "I" an actual link to thoughts?

If so, what does this link look like?
I've had this direct experience many times, however I'm surprised it is not permanent!
Seeing through the beliefs will keep unfolding deeper and deeper, this is only a beginning.
There may be a lot of beliefs to be unfolded, its not all necessarily dropped at once.
Any question I ask is just thought wanting to explain the unexplainable. It's a house of cards.
Yes, a house of cards indeed!

Are you asking the questions or is the thoughts only appearing?

At this moment, is there "I" anywhere to be found?


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