Can the content of thought be grasped in any way?
Is there anyone/anything that is trying to grasp the content of thought?
No, content of thought can´t be grasped in any way. There is no one trying to grasp the content of thought.
No, because the content of thought is just further thought. And ‘thought is not what thought says it is, it is experience/awareness/source that thought labels as thought.
Thought is not aware, so it's useless as a means of knowing the truth.
For every thought that comes up, and to determine whether it is referring to actual experience or whether it is pure fantasy, replace the thought with “blahblahblah” and check whether what it was referring to, remains.
Close your eyes (or leave them open) and bring the story of “I am tangled in thoughts“ to the forefront, and notice the sensation and images that seemingly go hand in hand with that thought.
Now replace the thought “I am tangled in thoughts“ with “blahblahblah”. Look at experience, with thought only saying “blahbahblah.” Is there an “I” who is “tangled in thoughts”, without thought saying so?
If yes, that thought is referring to actual experience. That’s a “bare bones” thought, with all additional story layers stripped.
If no, then you know that the thought has added “virtual layers.” It’s fantasy, and it isn’t confirmed as actual experience, because what it was saying didn’t remain when the thought was replaced with “blahblahblah.”
Let me know how you go when you use this exercise.
Without thought, how is it known what a thought is or what a thought is saying or pointing to?
It´s not possible to know without thought.
Yes and even my pointer was a thorny pointer! Thought cannot and does not interpret thoughts…it cannot do that. There is no one interpreting thoughts. There is no storyteller. Thought is the story. Thoughts about life/experience is the story
So is the content of thought real? Does the content of thought CONTAIN any actual experience?
No, thought content is not real whether it contains further thought or a mental image of an object. Thought contains no actual experience, it only points to actual exrperience.
Thought EITHER points to actual experience or it points to thoughts about AE or thoughts about thought!
If thought says that you saw a spectacular sunrise yesterday…is that sunrise experience as you presently find it? No…so it is just thought story ie ‘imagination’. If however, the colours labelled ‘spectacular sunrise’ is experience as you presently find it (ie now), then thought is pointing to actual experience as you presently find it. That is, that the colour thoughts refers to as 'sunrise' are what are actually appearing now. Thought either points to actual experience as you presently find it...or it is pointing to thoughts about actual experience which is not the current experience which then equates to just story...thought fluff/imagination.
Is this clear?
If thought ‘talks’ about as square circle, what is it actually pointing to? Is there such a thing as a square circle?
Actual experience is ‘experienced’, does the content of thought experience anything? Is the content of thought experienced by anyone/anything?
Content of thought doesn´t experience anything, it is only describing the experience.
Thought isn’t describing experience. Thought has no idea about itself or actual experience! It SEEMS as if thought is describing experience but that is simply the content of thought.
Try and describe the colour labelled ‘yellow’ to someone who has been blind from birth.
Try and describe the sound labelled as ‘car horn’ to someone who has never heard
Try and describe the sensation labelled ‘the chills’.
Try and describe a thought.
Try and describe the taste labelled ‘apple’.
Try and describe the smell labelled ‘bread’
Can this be done? Can thought describe experience itself?
What exactly is it that is “thinking”? ‘Thinking’ is just a word for a stream of thoughts! Describe to me in precise detail what it is that is thinking thoughts and where this thinker is located.
Content of thought is not experienced by anyone because it can´t be experienced at all.
Just thinking is experienced.
Does thought actually know anything about thought content (does thought know thought)?
No, thought knows nothing about its content.
And those thoughts only SEEM to interpret what thought is saying or give meaning to thoughts! They are just thoughts and in and of themselves have no meaning. If thoughts were expressed via the tweeting of birds or an unknown language, how would you know what they meant? What meaning is given to thoughts are only just thoughts about thoughts.