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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:06 pm

Not will have unwanted consequences because I can't know that. Will 'most likely have' and is having.

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:34 pm

Iit's not about the investigation so that's not the kind of thing that you mean is it?
Exactly.

Nothing comes up though.
Please describe elaborately:
What exactly is supposed to come up?
All will arrive.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:14 pm

Please describe elaborately:
What exactly is supposed to come up?
I don't think anything is supposed to come up. I had said that nothing comes up in response to....
Simply allow, accept, embrace ANYTHING that could come about through this investigation
I know that there can be fear. I felt it once years ago when it seemed that the me was about to die (not physically). I know that doesn't have to happen but might.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:43 am

One time I saw that it was funny that I had ever thought that I did anything. So I know that fear isn't always the case. .

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:13 pm

Right. Something that does not exist cannot die.
A dream character cannot truly die.
There can be a story, where the character dies.
But yes, it can certainly feel like that when it gets got.
So please report if something comes up in relation to that.



You had once announced, that you want to stick with the aspect of knowing.
We can do that.
Can you see that the content, the known changes, but the knowing never changes?
Can you discover this aspect. The knowing, that is never ever altered or touched by any content?
"Knowing" as in "being aware of" in the present moment.
No matter what the content might be about.
Good or bad. Beautiful or ugly.

What are you doing right now?
I'm listening to music. It's beautiful.
Are you knowing that?
Yes, I'm knowing that!

How are you?
Terrible! I'm sick.
Are you knowing that?
Yes, I'm knowing that!

What are you doing right now?
I'm walking in the park.
Are you knowing that?
Yes, I'm knowing that!

How are you doing?
I'm dying!
Are you knowing that?
Yes, I'm knowing that!

There are sometimes pretty, sometimes bad thoughts.
Are you knowing that?
Yes, I'm knowing that!


Can you see this unchanging aspect?
All will arrive.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:48 pm

Can you see this unchanging aspect?
Yes. Whatever is happening there is knowing of it.

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:08 pm

And now have a look.

Is it "I", that knows?
Or is "I" also known?

Is there any thing, that knows other things?

Is it "me", that knows?

Is it the person, that knows?
All will arrive.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:13 pm

I'm still looking at the last set of questions. It is being believed that there is and 'I' that knows. That is known.
There seems to be a centre where knowing is coming from.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:03 pm

but I'm questioning that assumption.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:34 am

Is there any thing, that knows other things?
Is it "me", that knows?
Is it the person, that knows?
I can find things but not a thing that knows them. They are just known and I don't know where or what knowing of them is coming from.
Is it "I", that knows?
Or is "I" also known?
It's known that there is an 'I' image but it can't be located.

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:23 pm

Very good looking so far!


There seems to be a centre where knowing is coming from.
Is that true?

Where exactly is that centre?

Can you look directly at that supposed centre?
What can be seen there?
All will arrive.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:05 am

Can you look directly at that supposed centre?
No. I've been trying to.

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:21 am

Does this centre even exist in reality?
Is knowing at a specific place?
Isn't it everywhere and nowhere alike?
All will arrive.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:06 am

It's known that there is a sense of an 'I' present. I had thought that this I contained knowing. Knowing can't be located though. If a sound is heard, for example, the sound is known but I can't say that the sound is known at/from a centre.
Is knowing at a specific place?
Isn't it everywhere and nowhere alike ?
Knowing is in the sense of heat, in the sound, the thought so it's everywhere but doesn't have a place itself, so it's nowhere.
The story of an 'I' with all it's problems, wouldn't exist if it wasn't known.

Some of what I have just written is the mind trying to make sense of all this and doesn't mean that there is clear seeing here.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:35 am

I know that you don't want to hear about the mind's interpretation though. I get a bit mixed up about what is the actual and what is thought about it.


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