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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:12 pm

The last couple of messages that I wrote were just thought and not actual experience therefore irrelevant.

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:12 am

Very good recognition!
So then let us try again while looking at actual experience:




Please have a look at the entire spectrum of present experience.

Could it be described with the terms

the seen
the heard
the (tactically) sensed
the smelled
the tasted
(observed) thought

?

Is there anything more to experience?
If so, please describe exactly what it is and how it is experienced.
All will arrive.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:42 pm

Is there anything more to experience?
If so, please describe exactly what it is and how it is experienced.
Something says that there is a seer, hearer etc here. It's not seen to be just thought If I was to say what it was though, I couldn't.

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:36 am

Yes, good!

the seen
the heard
the (tactically) sensed
the smelled
the tasted
(observed) thought



Something says that there is a seer, hearer etc here. It's not seen to be just thought
So the direct experience of "a seer" and "a hearer" is thought.
When we look for the "seer" and the "hearer", all we can find is thought about such things.
Thought with the content "a seer" and "a hearer".
Can you see that?
All will arrive.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:09 pm

Thought with the content "a seer" and "a hearer".
Can you see that?
And that's Ok that there are thoughts about a seer and hearer. I thought that it was something that had to diminish or stop completely. I can see that is an expectation. Rubbish title I gave this thread. I can't completely see that it is just 'thoughts about' but just allowing the thoughts feels a relief.

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:11 pm

Very good, that you have discovered this!!!

Of course they are okay to be here!
What harm could they ever do? They are just here for entertainment. A thrilling story.

Are there more expectations lingering?
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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:29 am

Are there more expectations lingering?
I don't know that answer to that. There may be but they aren't obvious. There are thoughts that the me will continue to be believed and it looks like nothing will change.

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:14 pm

it looks like nothing will change
That's pointing to a huge expectation.
What exactly is supposed to change and how?
What would be the cause?
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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:28 pm

What exactly is supposed to change and how?
What would be the cause?


I know that thoughts are irrelevant ,,,but... the thought that sprung to mind when I read that was 'you've pinpointed it' I'll look into it...'what do I expect to change and how would it change?'

I don't understand what you mean by ''what would be the cause?'' though.

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:02 am

Okay then write down simly this:

it looks like nothing will change
What exactly is supposed to change?
How is everyday life supposed to change?

Find out about those lingering and hindering expectations by writing them down.
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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:21 pm

What exactly is supposed to change?
How is everyday life supposed to change?
The expectation is mainly that it would be seen that there really isn't a separate individual living life, that the me identity is illusory.

When I read the previous message about what is supposed to change, it really hit home and momentarily I saw that there was just this and the attempt/desire for change was what was making a seeming problem.

I hadn't realised that thinking that there would be no change was also an expectation.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:37 am

The expectation is mainly that it would be seen that there really isn't a separate individual living life, that the me identity is illusory.
That is conceptual and a script that is being believed.

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Re: no expectations

Postby Matthew » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:28 pm

Simply allow, accept, embrace ANYTHING that could come about through this investigation.
Whatever it is.
You expect a flash, but what comes is thunder.
You expect angels and trumpets, but what comes is a warm shower.
Can you be that open?


The expectation is mainly that it would be seen that there really isn't a separate individual living life, that the me identity is illusory
Let's have a look at this!
The name with which identification happens.
"MY name".
"This name is MY name".
"This word is my name".
"This cluster of letters is my name. It is special to me".
But is it truly?

Look directly at the thought [insertMyName].
Is there, by nature, anything special to this thought?
Is there, in actual experience, anything special to these letters?

Why would you call this random word, this random sound "my name"?

In present experience,
Do you even have a name?
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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:05 pm

In present experience,
Do you even have a name?
In present experience there are no names.
Simply allow, accept, embrace ANYTHING that could come about through this investigation.
I will. Nothing comes up though.

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Re: no expectations

Postby rosey » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:52 pm

Simply allow, accept, embrace ANYTHING that could come about through this investigation
.What is coming up hasn't got anything to do with the investigation. An EXTREMELY embarrassing, humiliating incident happened last week which will have unwanted consequences. Iit's not about the investigation so that's not the kind of thing that you mean is it?


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