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[Elad]

Hi Elad ,

Would you like a response to what came up from watching the video or shall I continue to wait until it feels right ?


Much love Anrol

I'm curious what comes up in response. And in general any time you want to share.

[Anrol]

Whatever came up has now disappeared and I can’t recall it. There are just very intense energetic contractions now and constant thoughts . The content is about seeming conflict between teachings , teachers , friends and family. This is all being observed but is extremely intense.

[Elad]

Whatever came up has now disappeared and I can’t recall it. There are just very intense energetic contractions now and constant thoughts . The content is about seeming conflict between teachings , teachers , friends and family. This is all being observed but is extremely intense.

I'm with you. Just make yourself as comfortable as you can while this is playing itself out.

Don't take anybody else's words, including mine, for the truth. They at best for a moment were a thorn to remove a thorn or a kind embrace to warm the heart or a riddle to tickle curiosity and openness or a Zen stick to startle rigidity. In any case nothing to hold on to. Always bacon to "your own" direct experience.

[Anrol]

Thank you , your reassurance is most welcome. It feels a very lonely place. I will report back once the battle subsides.

[Elad]

With you

[Elad]

With you

Ps. Enjoy the battle as much as possible. It is your direct teaching on how humanity suffers. It is the ground of compassion.

[Anrol]

Hello Elad ,

Thank you for your support yesterday. It was very intense. Sabotage was the word that came up . It felt like everything in me was fighting to survive. Every doubt surfaced but it all seemed so extreme that it was not believed. Once it passed the desire to continue looking is still strong.

[Elad]

Hello Elad ,

Thank you for your support yesterday. It was very intense. Sabotage was the word that came up . It felt like everything in me was fighting to survive. Every doubt surfaced but it all seemed so extreme that it was not believed. Once it passed the desire to continue looking is still strong.

Thank you for sharing this Arnold. Say more about what could be seen in the passing of this weather system?

Here is a video I think might be helpful at this point:

https://youtu.be/CPnTy_wTxL4?si=02gu0OjRdl-M0cY4

Please let me know if what it points to is clear in direct experience. And if not, what is not clear.

[Elad]

Arnold 😆

Typo de luxe

[Anrol]

Hi Elad ,

Your typo made me laugh but not as much as the day before when you said “ bacon to your own direct experience “. It was actually very interesting as I was very moved by your words preceding this and felt on the verge of tears then promptly burst into fits of laughter. The transitory nature of states was very clear in that moment!
Since the passing of the weather system “who am i” has been repeating and thought has slowed down.
Thank you again for the video. It’s strange when I listen to it , it is clear but when I try and recall it there is little memory of what was said. All I know is that it resonated .

[Elad]

Wonderful 😆🤗

So is there a self?

What does I refer to?

What is responsible for life?

[Anrol]

Hi Elad ,

Sorry for the delay in responding. There have been more intense weather systems since the last message. More strong contractions and frustration. A desperate attempt to understand causing frustration and confusion. The fluctuations are so rapid and unattributable to any situational circumstance that it is clear that there is no self in control of this . As for the other questions, when I try to answer it feels like my head will explode.

[Elad]

Hi Anrol,

You are right, we don't know what controls things. And "I" does not refer to anything real or permanent, we cannot find something that is I, just sensations and thoughts that are being believed to be I (which is what we see through). These questions do not make sense in direct experience.

Sounds like a lot of energetic (maybe kundalini) and emotional shifts are happening. As mentioned earlier in the conversation, we might talk about more support with that, if it becomes relevant.

It can be helpful to walk, dance, work outdoors, energy practices (yoga, tai chi), trauma release exercises TRE, psychotherapy, etc etc. Just good to be aware that the energetic transformations and shadow work normally continues way beyond the initial and clear seeing that there is no self, doer, controller.

Also good can be to just sit or lay still or walk, for particular amounts of time, everything being as it is, no goal. Maybe do that 1-2 periods of 10-30 minutes (or more) and tell me what is seen.

Write me soon again how you are. Also write me where you feel you are now in relation to the goal of coming to Liberation Unleashed.

[Anrol]

Hi Elad ,

Thank you for suggestions . I do many of the things that you suggest. I spend most of my time working out doors and do qigong and yoga often . As I’ve mentioned I have quite frequent intense physical pain and have done for around 2 years. It seems to be more intense now. My doctor diagnosed me with fibromyalgia recently and have offered drugs which I am reluctant to take . I sense that this pain is a reflection of the self inquiry process which has become much more pressing of late , hence my need to seek a guide. The exercises seem to give some relief and I have taken to sitting and laying down during the day for periods which is not something I normally do.
Right now there is a sense of limbo . A sense of urgency. Before sleeping last night, after the intensity of the day there was a feeling of a softening of the heart . Sleep had a very different quality, less physical pain and feeling of deep love.
To answer your question regarding my goal for coming to LU . Well all the guidance that was hoped for has been extremely helpful for the constancy and directness that I felt was necessary. In terms of seeing through self , it seems that once seen this is totally known. This is still not the case here. As much as it makes 100% sense , there is no direct seeing but then there is nothing to compare with so ?

[Elad]

Beautiful Anrol.

Do you have any person you speak with really intimately, live (zoom or in physical proximity)?

A couple of things:

1) Let's have an attitude of "lots of time". All this transformation happening needs a warm patient container.

2) When it feels natural and helpful (I disencourage forcing things where you are at now) look into what it means "there is no direct seeing that there is no self?" how does this lack of direct seeing show?

My guess is that if you look directly at it, you will find that you cannot find the lack of seeing in anything direct or real. You will find it is based only by comparative thoughts or disliking/resistance to how NOW feels. In that case it is important to recognize that you are believing thoughts rather then investigating direct experience. And then stop that and return to direct experience until you answer with conviction from there.

Also I will share with you a post I wrote a client a while back. It's not directly for you, your energy and process is different I feel, and I am saying that even without thinking about what I mean, but I have a sense it might be helpful also (see next message).