Feet first (or should it be head first?)

[vinceschubert]

Is trying happening?

Realised this morning that I'm trying to let it happen

How about letting trying? (seriously)
..but the key isn't in the trying or the letting..
It's in the acceptance of whatever is happening.
...without opinion.

v

[jrm72]

Morning V,

the acceptance of whatever is happening.
...without opinion.

For a time I felt I was getting closer (a story), now I feel I'm miles away (another story).
Even though they're stories, the frustration they create feels so real (yes, another bloody story).


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[vinceschubert]

'evening James,

For a time I felt I was getting closer (a story), now I feel I'm miles away (another story).

What is actual here?
"for a time" = there is a memory
"felt..getting closer" where was that feeling?
"(a story)" = a thought about thoughts
"now" really a second ago = still a memory.
"I feel" ..where?
"I'm miles away" memory of the close feeling gone?? (maybe)

Do you get what I'm pointing at here? That there is actual experience beneath the words (thoughts)
When you grok what is actual, a realization might happen that this actual is a waste of space and it might change, but this actual has to be appreciated before that can happen.
STOP JUDGING what appears.
Laugh at your opinions.

love

vince

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

Do you get what I'm pointing at here? That there is actual experience beneath the words (thoughts)

Resisting my urge to be all philosophical - Yes

When you grok what is actual, a realization might happen that this actual is a waste of space and it might change, but this actual has to be appreciated before that can happen.

Wow - lots of questions (which probably all lead me astray, so I'll sit with this for a while)

STOP JUDGING what appears.

Quite hard

Laugh at your opinions.

Much easier




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[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

Words are a barrier, but what else do we have.


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[vinceschubert]

Use words only to describe actual experience.

[jrm72]

Afternoon Vince,

Use words only to describe actual experience

.

There is whatever there is on the outside.
There is a bundle of sensations, including the sensations of thoughts.
Everything else is thoughts about thoughts.


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[jrm72]

PS:-

The idea I'm not awakened is a thought.
The idea that I am awakened would be a thought.
Both of which as you say, are bullshit.

Now that's a laugh out loud moment.


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[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

Feel like playing with words right now-

L look
I I'm
F finally
E everywhere

A always
W was
A always
K kinda
E everything

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[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

Not adding suffering to pain is the current challenge.
Having a gout attack, and noticing the thoughts adding suffering on top of the sensations of pain.

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[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

One of those mornings where nothing comes to mind to say.
Will check in tomorrow.

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[vinceschubert]

'evening James,

noticing the thoughts adding suffering on top of the sensations of pain.

I'm interested in how this transpired.

vince

[jrm72]

Hey Vince,

"noticing the thoughts adding suffering on top of the sensations of pain."

I'm interested in how this transpired

.

Was sitting at the kitchen table, felt the pain in my foot.
Then noticed that the thoughts that were happening -

' Why is this happening to me, it's not fair, etc'

were guaranteed to add a layer of unnecessary misery to the pain.
And with that thought, luckily the other thoughts disappeared.


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[vinceschubert]

James,

And with that thought, luckily the other thoughts disappeared.

What was the response to this?

vince

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

"And with that thought, luckily the other thoughts disappeared."

What was the response to this?

The pain in my foot wasn't too intense , so without the other thoughts, I just got on with life.

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