Mind that loves to philosophize and grab on to concepts and experiences

[Anastacia42]

Great.

Keep watching those, attend groups & listen to the Drop Box pointers.

When you don't know what to do, any of those will do. Also, ButtChair.

Pay attention to how they feel & post here. But stay relaxed & don't obsess. This should be very simple & natural.

We're looking for a shift in perception. When that happens. there are some checkpoint questions that we'll share with other guides, who may have questions.

You're doing well.

Loving,

[ajef]

Perfect. Thank you. I'll keep you posted when I have something to share.
Today I spent most of the day meditating. Very intense sensations.
Still feeling the pressure in the chest, moving between chest, head and upper belly. Feels like the tissue in upper body is being stretched, blown up and twisted, best way I can describe it. Sometimes there will be twitching in feet and legs. Pleasurable and intense.

Thought: I think the sensations make the boarder between the body and room appear more strong. Not sure. Maybe this line will smoothen once the sensations are not as prominent.

With love,
Anna

[Anastacia42]

Thursday 19th of March
MEETING WITH ILONA TODAY
 
Hello

The Shift in Perception Simplified

At the next Zoom meeting, I will share something that can help you see what this shift in perception actually is.

I’ve been exploring this with my private clients, and now I’d like to open it to you as well, and to those who follow my YouTube channel. It is very simple and easy to see visually. When it clicks, it becomes clear why working on problems doesn’t bring lasting peace, and how the shift happens in where you are looking from.

There is nothing mysterious about it. It is practical, direct, and available right here.

You are warmly invited to join the meeting. And if something comes up for you, you are welcome to bring your questions.


Seeing Through The Self Illusion

19th of March
90 min long

3 pm London
4 pm Paris
8 am San Francisco
11 am New York

Link to all monthly Zoom Meetings

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/9143364592?pw ... VEMHg2Zz09

All group meetings are free. Just come.

If you would like to donate, I would appreciate it. You can do that through PayPal here.

With love,

Ilona

My Email address is:

admin@ilonaciunaite.com
(To sign up for notices)

[ajef]

Hi Stacy. Thank you for directing me to this meeting, very kind of you. I saw the message too late unfortunately, but I signed up for the newsletter and found the Youtube channel.

Yesterday I had a sensation experience of lots of energy moving through the body. Was kind of an expansive state, with pressure and density at the same time. Almost like blowing up a balloon, its expanding but the expansion also feels like pressure. The points of solar plexus and chest area kind of merged together into one bubble. Still feeling lots of movement there now, and twitching in the legs and thigts.

With love,
Anna

[Anastacia42]

Almost like blowing up a balloon, its expanding but the expansion also feels like pressure. The points of solar plexus and chest area kind of merged together into one bubble. Still feeling lots of movement there now,

Good morning!

Anna , that might be the shift in perception we're looking for. Expansion is the truh feeling & often accompanies the shift because it is profoundly true that there's no separate "self""

Look now. Ignore thoughts. Can you find any separate self?

How are you feeling?

Loving,

[ajef]

Look now. Ignore thoughts. Can you find any separate self?

No.

How are you feeling?

Feeling neutral, open, some fascination. Pressure points/dense energy moving through chest throughout the day.


Not sure about the boundry exercise though, still feels like the skin is a boundry/separating the body and the air, but maybe this is just a hang up?

With love,
Anna

[Anastacia42]

Hello

Not sure about the boundry exercise though, still feels like the skin is a boundry/separating the body and the air, but maybe this is just a hang up?

LOOK


Is it a Sensation or a thought?


Stick strictly to Sensation.

Loving

[ajef]

Is it a Sensation or a thought?

Its a thought. Felt sensations of pressure appear within something (labelled as the body).I feel it "inside" the body and not outside, if that makes sense? Like in the middle part, upper part etc of the body.

With love,
Anna

[Anastacia42]

Yes, and what do we do with thoughts? What do we recognize about them?

If you don't know, go back to Colored Socks.

Loving

[ajef]

Hi Stacy.

Yes, and what do we do with thoughts? What do we recognize about them?

We don't believe thoughts. Recognize them as thoughts.

Hmm. I kind of get it, but I don't understand why I still experience sensations as if it is inside a body. I can see that this is just a thought/belief, but sensations honestly feels contained in something nevertheless, almost boxed into what I believe is the body.

With love,
Anna

[Anastacia42]

That's because you're thinking & not simply looking.

There's no believing. Only looking.

Did we do this one?


Introductory Body Exercise

Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes. Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:

Can it be known how tall the body is? Does the body have a weight or volume? In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing? Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly? If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to? What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question. Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc) before replying.

There is no "why." It just is.

Loving,

[ajef]

Hi.

Did we do this one?

Yes, we did do this one. But there is something I'm clearly not getting here, so let me take some days to sit with it. I've listed to a few guided body dissolving meditations today. Still feels like the belief that the pressure is the boundry, and happens inside the body, is so strong that I cannot shake it off.

Especially when I look directly at my hands, its like the contrast between the figure of the hand and the background is so hardwired to be believd that its two separate objects, that I don't know how else to see it.

Will keep you posted in some days.

With love,
Anna

[Anastacia42]

Thoughts are flimsy. It's only a thought.

so strong that I cannot shake it off

Deeper Body Investigation

Here is an even deeper investigation of the body. Please follow each step, don't leave out any. Take your time. Don't move to the next step until the previous one is clearly seen.

Repeat the exercise several times.

Stand in front of a bigger mirror.

(1) First, close the eyes and feel the sensations labelled ‘body’.

(2) Then open the eyes and look into the mirror while still paying attention to the sensations. Is there any connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror? Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is?

(3) While still paying attention to the sensations move one hand and observe the movement from the mirror. Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and image of movement in the mirror?

(4) Now do the same movement with the hand, but this time look at the hand directly, not from the mirror. Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and the image ‘of movement’? Or only thoughts suggest it?

(5) Now, pay attention only to the image in the mirror. Does the image by itself suggest in any way that is ‘you’ or ‘your body’? Does the image itself suggest in any way that it is a ‘body’ at all? Or are there only colours and shapes?

(6) Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen. Just by the image in the mirror, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest so?

(7) Now turn away from the mirror and look forward (don’t look directly to any body parts).

Is there a ‘body’ anywhere when all thoughts and images are ignored, or are there only sensations?

(8) Start to walk slowly.

Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?
Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?

Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?

Can such a thing as ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body’?

Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?

(9) Are the sensations localized in space, like ‘going through the room’; OR is there only an image that is labelled ‘room’ and appearing sensations without any location?


and this:

Hand on Desk

Please close your eyes for this exercise, just notice any ‘mental’ images or thoughts that appear and put them aside.

Place a hand on a desk or table (flat surface) - Close your eyes.

Now 'go to' the Sensation which we would normally refer to as 'hand on desk' and answer from what you can FIND.

1) How many things do you find? Are there two things (hand and desk) or is there one thing – AE of sensation.

2) Do you notice 'one thing feeling another thing'? Or is there just 'a sensation'?

3) Do you find an 'I', a body, a hand 'feeling' . . . or is there just 'a sensation'?

Look very carefully. Where does ‘feeling’ end and Sensation begin? Can a dividing line between ‘feeling’ and sensation be found? Or is there just sensation?

Can a ‘feeler’ ever be found in 'what is being felt' – AE sensation?

If that is all, and no INHERENT FEELER is found . . . would anything that is suggested as the feeler be other than a concept/idea/thought?


You can try this with your eyes open. If you can let go of the "separate hand" story, it can be very interesting.

Loving,

[ajef]

Hi Stacy. Just wanted to give an update from here. I'm still working on the body exercise. Doing daily mediations, body scans, had a conversatoin with Vince, and reading Angelos book.

Sensations are full on now. Takes all my attention. Closest I can describe it is pressure, density, dancing, moving energy, sometimes light strokes, twitches etc. The sensations feels like its happening WITHIN something, like a center.

I did not move on to the deeper body exercise yet, feeling like I need some more time to get clear on this.

Can it be known how tall the body is? Does the body have a weight or volume? In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

No, just imagined shape and form.

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing? Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Yes, still feels like a clear boundry between the body and chair. Sensations/pressure feels like the boundry.

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly? If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?

Not sure. But it feels like sensations happens within something. I can only feel sensations in the body, not outside, so it creates this idea that there is inside and outside and I still struggle to not believe this.

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to? What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

I don't understand this question. Or it puts me really into the head, feeling like I have to come up with a right answer. I really don't know. Body is just a concept. Actual experience maybe just sensations? But sensations happens in a spesific place, what is this place? It feels like a center.

Hope all is well with you.

With love,
Anna

[Anastacia42]

Sensations/pressure feels like the boundry.

Feel like or are labeled by the mind? There only one Sensation. Really look at that.

Yes, actually only Sensation. Just one.

LOOK. Don't think. You're relying on thinking.

https://youtu.be/wyNwhK2Ur1c?si=TZwuFEst-7Hsadpu

Loving