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[Indivindi]

Hi Rali,
Plenty of things are happening here. A lot of moves unreasonable are happening :) As usual, the dynamic of events but with a different approach.
So far so good…battle is happening here as illusion strikes on every step but unfortunately for her “I” use grounded weapons of looking and strike back to be what it is. ;)
Sometimes takes a time to get through it...some time being/happening like an elephant in a porcelain shop. Especially virtual/online relationships are on strike. But it settled down after a week of looking, thoughts coming, looking again…to look finally to it what it is, without stories that aren’t.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

The only self that exists is a part of mind flow inside of thoughts that appear as stories.
There is no entity that would exist inside of “body”, “heart” or where ever we locate “I, me, self, ego, subconciussness”.
There is just this as IT is. If I name it we could label it as creation phenomena.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

Life is happening. That life is in a sort of sphere, environment, surrounding and place. From that point five senses are functioning and thoughts flow happening. The source of thoughts can be endlessly questionable and anything about it will be speculation. Is there a source? Might be but that is speculation too looking at it with direct experience that gives just a looking at what actually is.
So this flow of thoughts is what it is. And when is in certain way of looking at the things that isn’t looking at this what is happening directly then thought flow thoughts appears in support of life flow “background through out of “time being””
So when foundations about that “what this life phenomena is” are not cleared out, it means all sorts of thoughts appear as self-centered life stories - “I & my”.
And then these self-perpetuated stories/thoughts appear and falsely describe the reality/truth that doesn’t exist. And this cycle is going on. Which when you look at it in others is also just what it is.
:)
That what we look at it is the story about others, as everything is just a matrix that is happening simultaneously and elements of the matrix in a moment interact. So there isn’t really a difference between someone that is looking at it via DE or someone that isn’t looking. Both are just “manifestation of phenomena”. Difference is only that one that isn’t looking with DE is deeply sunk in the illusion that phenomena is happening. While “other” is looking with DE and sees manifestation as it is. In & After the DE process is finished the whole structure of the thought flow is changed accordingly.
And there isn’t any process that is happening and it isn’t happening to no one.
If I use the label “creation” is happening from the same “source” (we don’t ask with DE if there is or not a source of this what it is, doesn’t matter as we just know how to look at what it is), but just to the sake of trying to explain the so called difference with or without DE existence… The source is manifesting this flow of life and to some “people” movie is enrolled out that they happen to happen this DE. And others happen to happen to be rich, ugly, beautiful, present, polite, cow, tree, bee by the source…whatever label we use for objects in reality that is described through mind flow as part of daily reality of what is happening “to others”.
So this phenomenon we label as creation/manifestation/life is all that it is, dependable, ones. And it is happening. Can’t be divided, separated in, individualized. What it is, is wholeness happening.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

Life is happening no difference at all. It’s flowing. It’s continuing going on in the stream that is. Can’t be anywhere else as here. And now. But :) there is a but :)
Pink elephant in the room.
That when “we” realize being a part of phenomena being/happen - IT and looking is also just a part of that happening, with direct experience way - you this happening/part of phenomena is seen at things happening as they are. We can label it as “perception” shifted into that what it is rather than appearing as thought flow stories that aren’t – they are just thought stories.

So this phenomenon “me” is looking at IT totally different from most of the earth's population , in which that “I” was also I before DE happened. So describing the past is also just a story.
So how it feels…it’s crazy…sounds crazy…almost everything is dismantling what is not. A process of illusion deconstruction is happening. Many stop moments when you look and actually you don’t know what now as you see through it it’s illusion/story/that what it is not … for a moment … you observe … you see what it is and almost can’t interact in old manners…reconfiguration is happening. And also accepting that what is happening through the same sight but new one.
Which is not new it is just a flow that happened and it is happening.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

When we get into fields of looking at emotions with DE. When I figure out the structure of how thoughts operate and how they bring all kinds of stories. Stories that we stick to even though they are just stories, my, yours, theirs… And this thought persists while looking at it as an average Joe this is truth/this is real/this is me/this is my/this is happening to me. But stories are just a thought flow delivered/happening in a certain structured way dependent on where/what is this part of “you phenomena” stated. Describing dependent looking at “reality of phenomena”. This or that way dependent. So with or without DE. Eventually also DE is not…what is left is flow/now manifesting. And “you” just get along. Life phenomena is happening rather than you happen/doing life.

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Decision is not up to you. Decision is just happening as a part of life flowing. There isn’t any correlation among events. Like cause and effect. Things happen. Every decision is OK. There is no right or wrong decision. Decisions just happen. Let say from “source” came the decision that that scenario will enroll for someone.
It’s not me that was going and decided to go somewhere and excuse someone about that situation that happened. It’s just like slightest part of movie that is part of all of it happened for “both” sides as decision “you” and “him” will meet in certain place and moment and have discussion/interaction. That is an excuse happening. And then you talk along, “yours” thought flow to “his” thought flow. And things settle down as they are…you don’t have control with it. A worse scenario can happen than you can imagine (thoughts story happening) or even better or just an easy one. Describing the results are just stories. You just go with the flow and let enroll and look at IT what will happen.
I think that I am becoming a bit more speechless…as I observe more look & listen…decoding what it is :)

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Intention is thought flow in a certain structure appearing “in your head/being aware of it” that is self-perpetuated. And we know there isn’t self here :) And that thought flow is happening until DE observation/tool-use shatters the illusion of intention like house of cards. Whatever is happening is happening, whether thought story appears as that is my intention or not, life phenomena is going its way. When self is a part of thought structure and not realization that there is no self, the self is persisting in thought flow as this is “me” my intention to do something, to say, explain…ect.
But at the end of the day your intention might be good they say so but it happened completely opposite or different than your thought story is. And the “I” self merged inside thought structure flow starts to look for excuses…so thoughts are happening in that way. Describing anything a certain way.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

There is no free will. Will is what happened. As self thought structure: Whether you like it or not.
Seat back and observe your “illusory free will”.

Get it = happens to happen
You want something and you don’t get it. Then you don’t want something and you get it. Or you just are and something comes. And you get it.
You Got it? :)
You are getting it all the time. hahahaha

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Choosing is happening. Not by “you” as there isn’t any you in there in your body or out there anywhere. Thought structure is giving an illusory feeling that we are choosing.
Someone is promising something to you. Then you wait for that promise to happen. And time goes by. Thought flow is happening as expectation. As soon self become part of that thought flow you become frustrated/disappointed (story thought flow) and you take some action against one who made a promise. Then you can argue about it. But if you observe closely you can see that he promises and he repeats the promise again but he can’t deliver it. Because he isn’t the deliverer, he as thought story thinks too he is a decision maker and he can deliver it. But his delivery is going or not going to happen despite his thought flow (story he believes).

Describe control & give examples from experience.

You “can” look. You don’t have any control. It’s just happening. My life is a diversity of so many non-logical divisions and happenings occurred. Here, there, everywhere…I don’t know my next step, how I could then be in control of anything. I would never have thought in the past that this life would happen as it is. My thought stories were always different back then – even now I catch myself observing these stories about what is not reality/truth popping up.
But here IT is, Where IT is, where this that we call “I” is happen to be at the moment.
:) Typing is happening about thoughts that appear to be answers about all questions seen on screen as color patterns we interpret (thoughts/labels) as words…sentence…language…communication.
There isn’t a control or to control anything. This what it is, is self-perpetuated.
You are controlled as long as you interpret yourself as self. Which never was and it isn’t.
Non-self.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

We don’t know. We can’t answer it. Unless we start simplicities/complicate into concepts how anything of IT is happening. Which are just stories. Delivered as thought flow to a particle of manifestation. That isn’t individual but dependable as part of wholeness that it is. This is only that is. IT. IT is happening. That’s how it works.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

For anything, for nothing. There isn’t me that is doing any of it. What’s happened has happened. You can’t change it. It’s just this moment here which you can’t be aware of until you become a moment. This has been here ever since. This moment is happening whether you know it or not. Because even if you don’t know it, it is still this moment. All the mess thought flow is always just at the moment, you can’t preserve it, hold it, it's ever flowing.

6) Anything to add?

Add by who? :)
If you read this or someone is reading this it is not about you deciding to come to this side or this forum or to this gate or crossing these gate or taking/continue on the 2nd phase of pointing from someone and as 3rd phase observing the illusion deconstruction taking on by yourself. This just happens…yes we can say to some of “us” by no particular reason…that’s just happens in that way. As part of that movie we take it for granted it is happening to us. This is just enrolling inside this phenomena as all other enrolling’s are also happening.
It is all flow...

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[Indivindi]

I recorded new DJ set...and the lyric appearing in tracks when I listen now are all about DE :)

[Indivindi]

When track selection happens I never listen to lyric what is all about, they occur as instrument, sound vibration. Then when mix is finished I find out the message that is going on in life at that particular moment.

[poppyseed]

Hi Indi
Thank you for you beautiful answers!

I recorded new DJ set...and the lyric appearing in tracks when I listen now are all about DE :)
When track selection happens I never listen to lyric what is all about, they occur as instrument, sound vibration. Then when mix is finished I find out the message that is going on in life at that particular moment.

Songs’ lyrics are very much the embodiment of thoughts and life :)
There is a question for you. You keep talking about a “source”:

Let say from “source” came the decision that that scenario will enroll for someone.

…etc.
Can anything other than thought stories be found to suggest that there is a source? Is a source needed at all? Why, because it “makes sense”?
Love
Rali

[Indivindi]

Hei hei hei :)
RA-LI

Can anything other than thought stories be found to suggest that there is a source? Is a source needed at all? Why, because it “makes sense”?

Source, God, names of god, universe, higher force are all mere speculation, labels for something that can’t be found out by DE. But sometimes when I speak to other people (colour hahaha) “I” use this source of thought story to explain a lower level of understanding of reality. Otherwise I am aware that thoughts are coming with labels/word source and that’s it. No question here about it - if there is a source or not. Who cares…
;)

All good…
indianX aka. Indi vindi


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PS: Playfulness, Stories & illusion

RA-LI…story…
From Egypt (RA) meaning the sun god(dess) and the creator of all other gods and humans.
From Chinese 理 (LI) meaning reason, logic
:)


A Story about my DJ name I got from a friend who passed away almost two decades ago…

Name indianX means in “Runes” reading
Elsewhere, somewhere else, one cross (or also abolishes "slaughter").
Indi is a Prlek-Prekmurje word that means "elsewhere, somewhere there, faraway",
While Inda means secondly, at some other – as time.
If we continue to break the word, we get reading: upright man (Ivan, actor),
Dealing (living from dealing, not doing, dealing e.g., merchants),

You are crucifying in the future, changing (X can also be read as a swastika, a life circle, that is, energy, which drives forward, it changes for the better). Cross, crucifixion is a broad concept, but with the basic meaning of mixing two things;
Crucifixion as vaccination, gypsies marking with cross: written-off debt, death, murder,
Swastika is a dynamic cross, a quick change (to concern thou and thee, someone - all of you).
If we read your nick name lettering, we get: Upright forward acting, the upwards, forwarding the wheel of life.
Everyone means and all readings (as individual or in root groups) are essentially the same.
Indigenous you would be called "crusader on the way", the fertilizer of the change seeds,
Expander of new ideas, change movementor, blender (of ideas, demolitioner of dogmas, criticism, etc.).

:)

[poppyseed]

Hi Indi
Thank you very much for your very entertaining reply! It made me laugh what you did with my name! Thoughts are suckers for meaning. By the way I had a dog named Indi, of course named after Indiana Jones – a big fan :)

Welcome home!

It has been such a pleasure to walk beside you through the gateless gate! Your openness and willingness to look were simply awesome and made guiding you a joy.

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[Indivindi]

Hi Rali…
Here I am…looking at daily happenings, especially those that I want and don't happen…observing thoughts & thinking structure. As there is summer in front of the doors I spend more time outside. Away from computer screens I cut down all screen technologies… They barely function for me, no progress whatsoever, just keep me in what is not or what it is and I don’t care for that. While when I do some things outside, what becomes visible changes into something. So much more of this is what it is than virtual reality.

I know that my exploration just began as I notice it almost on every step. It’s like living in a simulation :)
You lead a great way so I got to this moment. Thank you for your effort and if you happen to come round our country you know where you can come to visit and stay. At least I could do…
So yes, send me your contact details if something pops up and we stay in contact :)
I keep in mind that my threat is there too in the archive.

Regarding becoming a guide it might be interesting in winter time :) perhaps… There are so many things thoughts brings I would like to finish/do in the next decade, but as I see I will see what comes out. So I’ll let you know if and when I’ll be ready… I notice now while speaking to people how easy it is looking through their illusion ;) and how this is a way you strengthen the process of enrolling on…

I’ll check the links…perhaps forward some web page links to my fellow friends that just can’t get out of the maze. Different packages of the same might become interesting to them. If it’s given to them…
I’ll be here in case of something I could help with…

Thank you for everything…all the best,
indi

[poppyseed]

Hi Indi
It was really my pleasure guiding you! One thing about guiding is that you meet a lot of interesting people (aka thought patterns :) ). Seeing them crossing the gate could be very rewarding and satisfactory.
Thank you for the invitation! I’ll definitely have you in mind if it happens to come to Slovenia :)
Keep well and keep exploring!
Love
Rali