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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby KarenM » Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:52 pm

Why do you refuse to quote one question at a time with the ansee4 under each question?


Hi Stacy!

I'm sorry - I don't "refuse" out of defiance or disrespect, but rather in the interest of getting to the heart of the matter and what has had the most impact for me which is the answering of the questions.

I'm a bit slow with this interface, and the highlighting, then copying, then pasting, then quoting each question takes longer than the answering. I may see that time is an illusion and ultimately of little importance, but my husband, stepson, bank and the IRS don't! ;-)

So it's efficiency, at the end of the day. I try to hit all the points in your questions. If you could ask fewer questions per post that would help, or be flexible with my style, but I do realize you are here offering your time and energy free of charge and for no gain of your own, so if it's a burden for you, I completely understand, and as always, appreciate deeply the time you've spent on me. It has helped, despite my seeming noncompliance.

Thanks,
Karen

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:49 pm

I read this on my phone and it helps tremendously feel the seed
~ Stacy

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:52 pm

It feels relaxed, light, relieving, open, and expanded.
Can you say 100% that there's no separate self?

Loving
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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby KarenM » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:03 am

Can you say 100% that there's no separate self?

Yes, there is no separate self. It's a thought, programming, conditioning, a dream. I cannot find "me". It's experiencing the physical world but not creating it. And the thought has no controller, nothing that causes it, it seems to come out of nowhere. And nothing can be truly known, only the perceptions and feelings available to this body can be directly experienced, but that is not knowing. What is in control then? Maybe control itself is an illusion too.

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:16 am

As far a we can tell, it's just all a mystery.

We have some traditional final questions. Would you like to answer those now?

Loving
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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Feb 29, 2024 7:18 pm

On the final questions, we do ask you to quote each one separately, with your reply underneath. Answer clearly and concisely. Your answers will be shared with other guides, who may have questions.

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~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby KarenM » Thu Feb 29, 2024 7:41 pm

Ok, I will be compliant. 😌

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:44 pm

Thank you. We will all appreciate being able to read this more easily.


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?



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~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby KarenM » Sat Mar 02, 2024 4:09 am

I got this and will get to it next week - we’re in Florida visiting extended family and on vacation through Wednesday. Just wanted to let you know. :-)

Love,
Karen

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby Anastacia42 » Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:07 am

Thank you.
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby KarenM » Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:45 pm

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No separate self, now or ever.
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
“Self” is the concept we’re taught to believe is who we are, as a discrete entity that is real and can be pointed to. Self cannot be known, only our feelings, thoughts, perceptions and sensations can be known through direct experience. We’re taught self can be threatened and that we need to defend it. Yet it isn’t a real thing that one finds as a single, real entity. “Self” is what we get attached to, yet it is an illusion. It starts somewhere in early childhood when the illusion of separation is first experienced. When we’re born, we don’t know ourselves as separate. We respond to physical needs alone without a self-concept. Seeing the illusion allows one to become detached and allow the free movement of experience.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Honestly, this truth was known prior to this dialogue, but the exercises presented through this dialogue allowed for it to be known on a deeper level through direct seeing. It feels like expansion, release, and warmth in the chest/solar plexus. It is now clear that all that is experienced isn’t the self. In the past few days, it has become so clear that all that filters through my experience are not controllable, and none of them define a singular self.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?


There was an experience on January 1st, where the stories of the self seemed to dissolve and what was left was an overwhelming sense of acceptance, peace and love. It happened when the thoughts of “I am not enough” were directly observed and seen as the lie. There was this sense that "now that I see this, I can't unsee it". After this, there was an interest in exploring what happened here. After speaking with Eshwar Segobind, I was directed to the LU forum. He said, “Do you want to know the truth? There is no you”.
Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Decision is the movement towards an action based on beliefs (thoughts) about prior experience. It seems I can choose food to eat or an article of clothing to wear, but that decision is based on thoughts that come from somewhere beyond my control, so the decision isn’t really “mine”.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Intention is the thought that drives an action. As humans we move from pain towards pleasure. But there is no sense of where this nature originated. I seem to have the thought “act from a place of love”, but where that thought comes from is unclear.
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
Free will is the illusion that we can decide our fate through choice, yet there cannot be actual freedom as that presupposes control, a separate "decider". Actions just come, there is no “I” to will it. As separation is an illusion, free will would be impossible because it would assume “I” can do apart from “you”.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
Choice is the sense that we do have some control over our situations, and on the level of illusion, it seems real, but again there is no “I” to choose.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is also an illusion depending on an "I" that can make things happen. I am the experiencer, not the one who brings about the experience. Surrender is all one can “do”.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
This is unknowable from this limited perspective. None of us can know or pretend to know this. Consciousness is, but only observation is possible, experience through the senses and perceptions of what is “out there,” and only through the perspective of being "in here". Directly knowing what makes anything happen is impossible.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
If by responsible, you mean what comes about from my doing, then the answer is nothing, as there is no "I" to be responsible for it. If by responsible you mean what am I obligated by morality to do, then it would be just observing. Just awareness. Being love. There's nothing else "I" can do. There's nothing else here.
Anything to add?
Not sure if these answers fit what you’re looking for - but without a doubt, it is completely clear to me that “my” life is a series of experiences that can be known only as sensations, perceptions, thoughts and feelings and that there isn’t one thing called “I” that can be found and is in control. It is clear that because of the limitations of what can be experienced in this body, my understanding can only extend so far. A peace has come in realizing the absolute truth is unknowable, and there doesn’t need to be so much attachment to “my” life. It can just flow. The unreal “I” is grateful for this experience and the exercises that Stacy shared which helped uncover this truth.

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:30 pm

Happy to help. Yes, this is the idea. Your answers will be shared with other guides who may have questions. Stay tuned.

Loving
~ Stacy

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby KarenM » Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:53 pm

Thank you. :-)

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby Anastacia42 » Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:13 am

You're very welcome.

Did I already share these? You were looking for others...

We have a couple of support groups that are meeting via teleconference and I'll give you the information on that.

There are 3 meetings.

Vince Shubert runs one on the weekends. Write to vinceschubert@gmail.com for the link & schedule.

Luchana & Lubo run one on Thursdays. Write to Luchana at luchanauzunova@gmail.com

Ilona holds a monthly meeting. Write admin@ilonaciunaite.com for that link & schedule

Loving
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Looking for others on this path

Postby KarenM » Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:45 am

Hi Stacy!

Yes, you’ve shared this with me and I’ve been in touch with them. I have all the links now! Have you attended any?

Thanks,
Karen


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