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[poppyseed]

Hi Tom

The fact that every sensation is felt ? For me this is proof of awareness, if no awaring entity or something is to be found, maybe each sensation is aware of itself. There is a sense of awareness because sights are seen, sound are heard, thoughts are thoughts.

Proof? Remember there are no separate sensations, there is just feeling. How is that different from being aware or sensations, isn’t that the definition of feeling – the experience of sensations? Anyway, we are not drawing conclusions here (based on other stuff), that would be still an assumption , we are observing what is here. What is here is feeling_seeing_hearing_tasting_smelling_thinking – inseparable THIS. We are not interested in thought content – be it logical conclusions or not. If there is no one or no-thing to be seen observing, experiencing, then it is thought content. It’s very simple. There is thinking which labels the experience (even thinking itself), maybe that is what you’ve taken as awareness/Tom/self?
Here is a video that migh bring clarity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lm3G0_ ... ex=17&t=8s
And another one just for your entertainment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXfltmzRG-g

The separation of senses create a distinct thought that there is a world outside that there is a body because thoughts label sensations as of the body or outside the body depending on their characteristics. Creating the sense that there is more than what is experienced, that there is more than what is experience. An illusorily clear demarcation between inside and outside. Experience of the outside being less clear than the inside.

As long as it is known that it is illusionary… That is why we do that inquiry – to see what is illusionary and what is real

There is a very stable ever present sensation that make the top of the head. It give rise to the sense that this is the center of experience. And that therefore thinking arise close to this sensation. Because all else is much more dynamic than this stable sensation is felt like an epicenter.

Good! So just because that sensation is being assumed to be connected with thinking (brain in the head) and seeing (eyes in the head), it is taken for an epicentre. But in DE, can such a connection be found without the “helpful hand" of thought content?

just a sensation, or many, with thoughts referring to these as head. didn't we already talk about the body and the fact that it's only sensation ?

Yes, we did. And this was a reminder of that as sometimes old conditioning takes preference (like “thinking happening in the head”). Remember, it’s not about knowing stuff – a shift can only happen through looking (not knowledge). So if you have to look again, and again, and again, this is what it would take for a shift to happen. The more the illusion is seen, the less it is believed, the more being glued to thought content is loosened up :). As a result, less suffering, more peace, acceptance of THIS as it is...

Yes there is a location used to label the sensation, "top of the head"

I was asking of a real one, not imaginary one. In this inquiry we are not interested in thought content, only what can be observed as experience. Thought content is about experience not a real one, only the arising of thought is DE (just to remind you)

It's all a description, how could I know. Mental images and thoughts are illusory separations, how do you split them arbitrarily, to then ask if one come from the other. in THIS there is no distinct separation, or at least none that is seen.

Where do you draw the line between mental images and thoughts ? Aren't mental images visual thoughts ? it's all just words with different sense in different context for different people.

If there is the 5 senses and the thoughts relating to them
Then isn't the mental images also a thoughts as it is relating to the 5 senses to label it.

Yes, mental images are thoughts. In this case the question was related to your previous statement that thoughts seem to come from the head: “It feels like it's happening in the head, there is a definite sensation in the head and that's where thoughts seems to arise.” I actually quoted that so you can see why I’m asking the questions. So if a “head” is mental image/label + sensation, I asked can a thought come from a sensation (i.e. from/in the “head”) or a mental image/another thought (i.e. head) And by "come from" I mean arise, come into existence within the sensation or the mental image. Does it make more sense now? This is how language sometimes is mistaken for reality... Otherwise, yes there is no difference between a mental image and a “verbal” thought
Anyway, you made it clear that “head” is just a sensation that not necessarily is involved in thinking, it just IS present with thinking.

As for the third exercise I apologize but no decision come to mind. In fact there is no feeling of making major decision or anything like that. Event seamlessly seems to follow each other, you ask for a decision that "I" took, I don't think "I" take any decision, it's just the mind is polite enough to narrate it in the first person in an attempt to explain, most likely because that's what was learned in the past

It doesn’t have to be a big decision. It could be a decision of how you chose what to have for dinner or to buy a certain brand of cereal or whatever happens in your every day life. Please indulge me here!

You are doing great!
Love
Rali

[Totege]

Good evening,

Proof? Remember there are no separate sensations, there is just feeling. How is that different from being aware or sensations, isn’t that the definition of feeling – the experience of sensations? Anyway, we are not drawing conclusions here (based on other stuff), that would be still an assumption , we are observing what is here.

Yes the word wasn't really right for what was tried to be conveyed. To clarify, here is what seems to be awareness : in all situations there is a knowing of the experience as it is experienced. It's mostly thoughts. Thoughts about what happened. But even when just watching what IS in terms of sensations for example, there might not be thoughts but there are sensations linked to the act of watching, it's subtle, it's only sensations but it frame the experience of watching the experience and thus create the illusion of a watcher. So in the end what is labelled awareness is just sensations and thoughts. But once again, it's just a word, pointing to some qualities of THIS, that are mostly always present moment to moment in the direct experience.

There is thinking which labels the experience (even thinking itself), maybe that is what you’ve taken as awareness/Tom/self?

Yes there is, but it's a bubble of thinking and sensations that created such a good frame for it that it was hard to see it as it seemingly is. "I" Felt like an actor in the movie, very personal, but now there is this feeling of not being a "I" in the movie, just a movie that is like experiencing "itself". Well just being in fact, experiencing the experiences as they come moment to moment

I very often just fall back into I'ing during the days with friends or at work, but in the background and the moments of calm the fact that this is just not what IS come back.

Watching a movie is a very strange experience, or just noticing life as it unfold around. How the self is everywhere and everything that is said by "me" (less and less) and others is in reference to the self.

Everything is the same except the way I see everything with a new angle.

As long as it is known that it is illusionary… That is why we do that inquiry – to see what is illusionary and what is real

Everything is real because everything just IS, but in the context of our life and concepts we grow attached to partial view that are quite removed from direct experience. And "we" live around ideas that bring a lot of indirect and direct pain.

But in DE, can such a connection be found without the “helpful hand" of thought content ?

No the body is a construct of thought imagery. Upon falling asleep there is a state where the sense of space disappear and experiences morph into each other, it's quite strange but it can help experiencing the experience without a stable framing. But even without that, even if the sense of space is or is not created by thought, one thing is for sure, the labels associated with that are just thoughts, there is no "head" in DE outside of thought content.

Remember, it’s not about knowing stuff – a shift can only happen through looking (not knowledge).

Yes

Does it make more sense now?

Yes it does and yes thoughts can arise from thoughts and mental images, language is a very good example indeed, thats how you get far removed from DE (paradoxal to even write that) and live in thoughts about concepts about thoughts etc. Thinking in verbal form is a gold example.

How did it come to be? Consider all of the conditions that were necessary for it to happen. If any one of those conditions were different, would the outcome have been the same? How many of these conditions were outside of your influence? What was in your control (according to thought)?

I ate today, an omelet. Why an omelet why at a specific time or another, well the taste is pleasing so I guess it's to go toward an enjoyable food. And a specific time because I couldn't before and the hunger was there at this time.

Doesn't matter how you look at it it's just a combination of past experiences, can be the same day or long time ago but it does t feel like anything was in my control. Yes there can be thoughts saying I'm going to do that. But "I" don't control thoughts and thoughts are dependent on other thoughts and other experiences so the decision wasn't really a decision ?

I know the example isn't that good but honestly there is a thought of the knowing that what happens is ultimately just happening, and wether there is a thought of choosing doesn't mean that it was really chosen by a "I".

Thank you for the questions

Best,
Tom

[poppyseed]

Hi Tom
It felt nice reading your reply! I can see looking is paying off in clarity :)

I very often just fall back into I'ing during the days with friends or at work, but in the background and the moments of calm the fact that this is just not what IS come back.
Watching a movie is a very strange experience, or just noticing life as it unfold around. How the self is everywhere and everything that is said by "me" (less and less) and others is in reference to the self.
Everything is the same except the way I see everything with a new angle.

That is completely normal at this “stage”. Seeing probably won't be 24/7. There's likely to be a "honeymoon period," and then what we call, "got it, lost it," as untrue beliefs come up to be questioned. This can go on for months & years. This initial shift is irreversible though, just as we can never go back to believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.
We can still use first-person pronouns to describe “ourselves” with the same ease we always had, even if such ideas have no more actual meaning than talking about Santa Claus once we learn “he” doesn’t exist either. The separate “self” is seen to have been nothing more than inference and interpretation. However, the recognition of no self is just the beginning of seeing life and “yourself” and life in a new light. It takes time to clean up all old beliefs and conditioning.
This video from Ilona might be very helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJQcD588g2w

I ate today, an omelet. Why an omelet why at a specific time or another, well the taste is pleasing so I guess it's to go toward an enjoyable food. And a specific time because I couldn't before and the hunger was there at this time.

Doesn't matter how you look at it it's just a combination of past experiences, can be the same day or long time ago but it does t feel like anything was in my control. Yes there can be thoughts saying I'm going to do that. But "I" don't control thoughts and thoughts are dependent on other thoughts and other experiences so the decision wasn't really a decision ?

I know the example isn't that good but honestly there is a thought of the knowing that what happens is ultimately just happening, and wether there is a thought of choosing doesn't mean that it was really chosen by a "I".

The reason I insisted on an example of a decision, that you would normally consider that you’ve made, was to look entirely in thought content, where cause and effect “live”, and see that even there there’s no “you” making a decision. It was just one event leading to another, leading to another, with “actions” based on previous conditioning. The thought “decision is made” is layered on top of other thoughts/beliefs/descriptions of what has happened before. Why does the wind blow? It just blows. Yes we can say it happens as a result of previous events but there’s no entity “wind” that does the blowing. There is no wind that decides to blow. It’s just language. What is “moving of the hands” in DE? We’ve seen that it’s just a sensation, labelled “hands moving” + colour/shape labelled “hands moving”. So, what makes the sensations to appear? What makes seeing to appear? LOOK! Is there anything that causes anything to appear? Do cause and effect exist outside of thought content? Thought comes to describe that things are happening and why they are happening, but in DE things are just happening. Is the description/explanation/label needed for things to happen?

At this point, it will be a good DE exercise to get out for an actual walk in nature and observe interconnectedness. See how ALL is moving interdependently, including thinking and the senses. Spend some time watching the movement of the whole. See how clouds move, trees swing, leaves wiggle, grass moves, insects, birds - all move all the time.
Then move focus to sensations and see how they too are in constant motion, thoughts come and go, sounds, colours, sensations come and go.
Notice that everything is part of one movement.
Then close your eyes and see if there is a line between you and out there, between you and life itself. Hold these questions in mind:
Is there anything that is separate from everything else?
Is there a border that divides “me” and “my body” from everything else, or is it just a thought? Is that interdependent movement outside of you? Is there an “inside” and an “outside”? If yes, where is the boundary?
Is there an inside and an outside of Life?
Is there something which is not included in the movement of the whole?
Is there a witness that is watching life happening from a distance? OR is witnessing part of the one movement too?
Is there an owner of being?
Is there anything which is not just happening?
Are there others? Is there an “I” in others?
Is there a “you”?
Go out, come back and tell me what you found.

[poppyseed]

Hey Tom
It's been a while... Is everything OK? Are we still doing this inquiry?

Love
Rali

[Totege]

Good evening Rali,

First I'd like to apologize for the radio silence. I wasn't really able to answer this weekend but rest assured I am ok, and I would like to continue the inquiry if you are fine with it.

To avoid another radio silence I want to let you know, I'll je away from any internet connection from the 05-06 of June to the 17-18 June.

Aside from that I'm ready to continue where we left off starting tomorrow. I'll take the time to watch the video you linked and answer properly.

Thank you for taking the time to write all these pointing instructions, I am truly grateful.

Best,
Tom

[poppyseed]

Hi Tom
I'm glad all is good! Looking forward to your answers...

Thank you for taking the time to write all these pointing instructions, I am truly grateful

It's really my pleasure talking to you :)

Love
Rali

[Totege]

Good evening Rali,

That is completely normal at this “stage”. Seeing probably won't be 24/7. There's likely to be a "honeymoon period," and then what we call, "got it, lost it," as untrue beliefs come up to be questioned. This can go on for months & years. This initial shift is irreversible though, just as we can never go back to believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.

We can still use first-person pronouns to describe “ourselves” with the same ease we always had, even if such ideas have no more actual meaning than talking about Santa Claus once we learn “he” doesn’t exist either. The separate “self” is seen to have been nothing more than inference and interpretation. However, the recognition of no self is just the beginning of seeing life and “yourself” and life in a new light. It takes time to clean up all old beliefs and conditioning.
This video from Ilona might be very helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJQcD588g2w

Thank you for the message, the video was good too. It is a process of unlearning, it's always been that even when I was still seeking some thing. Now it's just noticing the difference between what is in experience outside of thoughts, what is in experience inside of thought. And noticing the difference between the one and the other.

So, what makes the sensations to appear? What makes seeing to appear? LOOK! Is there anything that causes anything to appear? Do cause and effect exist outside of thought content?

no there is nothing like that outside of thought content, experience without the descriptive aspect is devoid of formulated meaning, cause and effect are just some label and concept used in an attempt to describe what IS. From thought content there seems to be a link between everything but that's just reflection on experience.

Is the description/explanation/label needed for things to happen?

No. But even In thought content this question do not make much sense. Thing happen on their own, description, explanation and label need the happen to be "things". Not the other way around

Is there anything that is separate from everything else?
Is there a border that divides “me” and “my body” from everything else, or is it just a thought? Is that interdependent movement outside of you? Is there an “inside” and an “outside”? If yes, where is the boundary?
Is there an inside and an outside of Life?
Is there something which is not included in the movement of the whole?
Is there a witness that is watching life happening from a distance? OR is witnessing part of the one movement too?
Is there an owner of being?
Is there anything which is not just happening?
Are there others? Is there an “I” in others?
Is there a “you”?

I didn't get to go for a walk today, so I am without an answer, but I'll make sure to put some time aside for it as soon as is possible.

But, to be honest. I would answer no to all these questions. All the things you ask only exist in thought content. If you see that thoughts are not the center point of everything but just a part of something bigger, connected, without labels or hierarchy you can't help but say no to all of these. All these things you ask for do not exist outside of thought content.

In some sense there is a me, and there was a me, in thought content. there is a witness, in thought content by labelling sensation to fit this labelling, inside and outside are also just labels, more generally borders are just also concepts pointing to some rather vague parts of experience, when I say part I mean qualities distributed among spectrums not that it's separated in parts. But even qualities and spectrums are labels.

We can only experience it, not really talk about it, not without labels, not the real thing. It's like a snake trying to bit his whole body with his mouth.. good luck with that

Anyway, it's getting late it think I'll stop there, it also seems that I answered all the questions.

Best,
Tom

[poppyseed]

Hi Tom
I really enjoyed reading your reply :)

In some sense there is a me, and there was a me, in thought content. there is a witness, in thought content by labelling sensation to fit this labelling, inside and outside are also just labels, more generally borders are just also concepts pointing to some rather vague parts of experience, when I say part I mean qualities distributed among spectrums not that it's separated in parts. But even qualities and spectrums are labels.

We can only experience it, not really talk about it, not without labels, not the real thing. It's like a snake trying to bit his whole body with his mouth.. good luck with that

Wonderful!!

So let's review where we are at with the following questions.

What has changed and what hasn’t in normal everyday living. What changes? What stays the same?
What is the biggest difference from before starting this conversation?
Is seeking still going on?
Is there any confusion at all or anything you would like to address?
Can you say with a big fat YES, it is clear what the illusion of a separate self is?

Love
Rali

[Totege]

What has changed and what hasn’t in normal everyday living. What changes? What stays the same?

The identification of thought relative to other thoughts and the rest of experience is different, for sure.

What is the biggest difference from before starting this conversation?

The perspective brought by thought content has been softened by the knowledge that direct experience is all there is. It's hard once seen to stay immersed in thoughts patterns relatively far from the perception of DE.

It means no more the paradigm of self can arise In thought content and be seen as anything other than just some thought content. Not an entity, not a person or an absolute piece of something that most thought content identify to. Just some thoughts, a labelling method gone awry.

Is seeking still going on?

Before the seeking was happening in concept space, in thoughts, experience was subordinated to thought because the thought of self was subordinating most of the labelling of experience. That created a sense of separation and scarcity, in some sense it's been reversed now it's just experience unfolding.

Is there any confusion at all or anything you would like to address?

Not really, can't think of anything. Do you have things you want to address ?

Can you say with a big fat YES, it is clear what the illusion of a separate self is?

It seems very clear yes.

Best,
Tom

[poppyseed]

Hey Tom
That is wonderful!! Can you say more about how it feels to see, and are there any changes in how interactions with others seem to be?
We have some traditional final questions. Would you like to answer those?
Love
Rali

[Totege]

Can you say more about how it feels to see, and are there any changes in how interactions with others seem to be?

Everything is at the same time old and new. Everything appear more rich. Interactions with other are very weird, even just watching a movie is weird. Sometimes, or more accurately most of the time everything is coming from the self paradigm. Now that this is seen in my thought content, it's impossible not to see in other too.

We have some traditional final questions. Would you like to answer those?

So it is the end of the inquiry, felt like it the last days. I can answer the last questions, sure.

[poppyseed]

Hey Tom

Everything is at the same time old and new. Everything appear more rich. Interactions with other are very weird, even just watching a movie is weird. Sometimes, or more accurately most of the time everything is coming from the self paradigm. Now that this is seen in my thought content, it's impossible not to see in other too.

Woderful!!

So it is the end of the inquiry, felt like it the last days.

Well, crashing the Gate may be the end of seeking, but it is not the end of exploration. The recognition of no self is just the beginning of seeing “everything” in a new light.

I can answer the last questions, sure.

Here are the final questions. Please answer all questions in full, when you are ready. Please answer what's true for you rather than any sort of 'ideal' answer
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Love
Rali

[Totege]

Hello Rali,

I hope everything Is alright on your side. I have some calm time so I thought that I would answer your questions.

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

Separation only exist in thoughts, same as self or any entity that could be "thought up".

Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now

The separate self is nowhere to be found, aside from thought content. Therefore if it is so it must just be some thoughts.
How does it start and how does it work ? I would be posturing and I have no interest in doing so. Understanding that this BIG thing is in fact no so big and no real is enough for me. I am wary of going into theory based on nothing but postulation.

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels, a lot more ficher than before, thought took so much space and we're louder, all experience was recursively brought back to the self thoughts. Now things just are.
Things really just flow, very much less trying anything and much more just being.

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Its hard and maybe a bit pointless to try and identify one thing over the other. If I was forced to choose I would say that it started with the slow deconstruction that I knew anything. Once I accepted that I knew nothing, events led me here. Not that they didn't lead me somewhere before, just that it wasn't clear in thoughts.

I think the name is "epistemological humility".

Describe decision & give examples from experience.

It's mostly just the thoughts narrating by habit, for example in writing this reply : I was in the train, enjoying the ride. Suddenly a thought popped, it would be a good time to write the replay to the question, and another thought popped agreeing etc. One after another things just chain. Name it causality or whatever you want, it is how it seems to be.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.
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I don't know why I would be qualified to answer, this is from my experience similar to the answer above. It's the thought and sensations you get before doing something. Do not have to be right before the act.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

me definition is : exercising "rational choice" given all the thoughts and experience of the past. But in fact it's not really a choice, from the point of view of thought content it is but if you zoom out it's not. So I would say that free will is an illusion based on ignorance and false belief in thought content.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Choice do not exist outside of thoughts, there are only sensation and other arbitrarily labelled "parts" that aren't parts of experience happening. Somewhere inside are a few thoughts narrating what is or was and saying things as if a choice was made.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

Choice is a word, a label, only present inside thoughts. Yaddi yata yada. You can refer to previous answers.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

If I had an answer to this I would be writing a book to share it with the world, because I'm sure that it would be of big interest and use for most peoples. Sadly I can only affirm that things happen, the how or what is not know to "me*.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience

This is a troubling question. Because if free will is in fact nowhere to be found, it leaves only space for some kind of causality explanation. Ultimately it depends on what is your definition of responsibility and the belief around free will.

From the point of view of thought content, it is important to have responsibility, the thoughts and paradigm around morality is paramount in removing bad act from even being thought up. That is if you isolate thoughts and actions. But from an absolute point of view I don't think we are responsable for our success or pains, having free will responsibility is removed from the equation and responsibility seems to be paradoxical. Can you really blame someone with a really bad life and personality or is it just that everything they experienced led them to be where they are, bad experiences leading to bad thoughts patterns to bad decisions etc.

Paradoxically this is a strong argument for being kind and trying to do good, because when seeing things like that you can only have compassion.

Anything to add?

I find it quite funny that the whole point is to see through the self etc. And at the end (question 5) you ask for personal definition and opinions on many very subjective subjects and concepts. The most honest answer to most of the questions would have been, I can only affirm that there is experience, right now. For all other descriptions of concepts such as control, choice, free will, intention it seems superfluous and ultimately I have no definite answer to what are all those things. This is just playing around words.

Outside of all that, I will just say thank you ! For all these questions, and the time spent pointing to direct experience.

[poppyseed]

Hi Tom
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Love
Rali

[Totege]

Hi Rali,

Thank you for everything, it wasn't always very easy, at time answering felt heavy and hard but I tried sticking to the process and seeing where it would go. I can only say that I am very grateful for everything.

I had some unvoiced doubt that I wouldn't see anything, much less that it would be a matter of a few weeks. But now that this has been seen I am only light and grateful. Thank you !

Please don’t forget that this is just the beginning of exploring. It’s the beginning of cleaning up of all sorts of old beliefs. Emotions and feelings can show up to be seen and felt, so don’t stop looking! Please feel free to contact me, so we can have a look together, if you like.

Yes, I realize that little by little, the seeing of DE and no self help put in perspective old belief and conditionings. It is now a process of removing, day after day. I'll take some time to settle and observe how what has been seen is going to change, or not what is called life. It's crazy how different it is now compared to before, but the most impressive thing is how "normal" seeing feels.

I am wary to consume too much content and information for now. I can't know what I don't know and I don't want to unknowingly replace old conditionings with new ones. I'll nonetheless have a look at the ressources you mentioned after some time.

As for guiding and/or coming back to deepen the looking, I am not against it at all and will think about it. But after some reflection too.

Gratitude,
Tom