Walking the talk

[Hannah]

Hej igen Elad

Step 2. Strip away all expectations Der er 7 spørgsmål. Jeg svarer fra top (1) til 7.

1. I have no expectations. It just is there for me to live. Free from expextations.

2. I do not want anything from awakening. I let it be and am glad to be in the flow of here and now.

3. Like all humanity and if - if -as individuals. As different as how many there are. To be awakened is not a fit.

4. It will not feel. It is.

5. I do not expect anything to be different from NOW. Every now is different. I am following the flow. Floating.

6. I have no hope for liberation to give me anything. Hope is just an illusion.

7. No wants/ desires: It is what it is.


With all my love to you Elad

Hannah

[Elad]

Smukt, igen ingen ekstra ord noedvendige. Ser frem til at hoere hvordan det gaar med step 3.

[Hannah]

Hej Elad

Syn: 100%.

Her kommer svar Step three om flyvende skeer og unicorn og andet.

Ex.1

I can percieve no flying spoons, forks or otherwise expect in my imagination on which this exercise conjured up a lot of nice films on my inner screen.

Ex.2

Likewise in the kitchen exercise. On my inner screen a lot of nice people figured. No self occurs anywhere. Would have caused a bigger stir for me than the unicorn if had come up - the nonexsisting Self.

Ex 3. Teh image of myself - testing with each sense: touching, smelling, tasting, seeing, and hearing. Nine questions - top down.

1. No self experienced.

2. It is not here, consequently it neither comes nor go.

3. No sense of seperateness from here and now.

4. There is a sense of oneness with the flow

5. Nothing is seperate from the sense of here and now and from the flow

6. Right now I experience my fingers on my ipad, the light on my desk, the sounds from in and outside: Generally speaking all my senses are experiences here and now.

7. Mothing is limite, it could only be limited by the return of belief in a SELF/EGO.
Everything is here right now.

8/9. Everything is here now and now and now….

Lots of love

Hannah

[Elad]

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Glaeder mig til at hoere fra dig om step 4.

[Hannah]

Hej Elad

Jeg begynder med at svare fra s. 243. Hvor Ilona skriver Write down what you notice……

1. There is not a thinker.

2. There is a reader in the sense that someone will look at the text, sense it and it will give way to thinking and thoughts in his/her mind.

3. Thoughts rise in the moment/the now they are getteing input from our senses and they disappear like all thoughts to give way to new thoughts in the steady stream of thoughts going on.

4. The breathing is breathing on its own. There is no breather. Breathing goes on night and day without a breather. Good for us!

5. I dance, I worry, I plan, I sing, I cry. Thats how my mind/ my thinking label my activities. And these thoughts cannot think they appear as a result of the impressions from my sensing. Thoughs can do nothing. And again what a lucky thing.


Have a wonderful day dear son


Hannah

[Elad]

Lots of clarity!

2. There is a reader in the sense that someone will look at the text, sense it and it will give way to thinking and thoughts in his/her mind.

Is there? Where/what exactly is this reader, this someone? Does there have to be a reader/someone for reading to happen?

Try reading and look for the reader, the someone, in direct experience.

Let me know what you SEE.

Lots of love

[Hannah]

Hi Elad

When I wrote “someone”vthe someone was not me. The world is full of texts and full of readers. Reading is happening all the time. Its just happening. There is no direct reader, there is no one in control of reading.

With love
Hannah

[Elad]

Are there separate independently existing permanet readers?

Or is "reader" a designation practical for communication but with no separate, independent or permanent nature?

[Hannah]

Hej igen

Are there separate independently existing permanet readers?

Or is "reader" a designation practical for communication but with no separate, independent or permanent nature?

1. No there are no separate independently existing permanent readers. There is permanent reading just as there is permanent seeing, hearing, looking and so on. Life is going on in the here and now. Even seeking is not still.

2. Reader is, as you put it a designation for practical communication, and as such it works for me. But it has no independent or permanent nature. Nothing is permanent.

My comment:
Reading has obviously been one of the stumbling blocks that will occur to me.- even if I firmly believe in no-self. And I do not expect never to stumble. At least for now and here. My mind will produce distraction in my daylight life activities.
Reading has been a major element of my life ever since I learnt to decipher the first letter in the alphabet. Was I ever in control, NO.

This it for today.

Peace on all of us

Hannah

[Elad]

Right no "readers" in direct experience, just the designation for purposes of communication.

There is no contradiction between loving to read (and other thinking activities) and awakening/liberation. Reading is part of the flow like everything else, and conventionally speaking for you, it is a pretty big part of life.

The only thing to be clear about is the difference between "reading about/thinking about/talking about" and direct experience.

Love from here.

[Hannah]

Thank you ever so much - for helping me to get to hear. We will keep walking…

Knus Hannah

[Elad]

Thank you ever so much - for helping me to get to hear. We will keep walking…

Knus Hannah

💗


Look forward to hear your responses to Steps 4-7.

[Hannah]

Hej Elad

Step four.

Looking at thoughts:
1. Thoughs cone from all the different sensations we continually “are swimming” in.
2. I cannot control them.
3. The surroundings as I sense it.
4. No.
5. No.
6. No.
7. No.

Continuing…
8. They just come
9. One after the other and endless string.
10. No.
11. I is an illusion

Continuing (p. 243)
12. No thinker - there is thinking
13. No reader - reading is
14. These thoughts give rise to the next thought - it just happens.

Digging deeper:
15. No.
16. No.

That’s it for today.


Kærlig hilsen
Hannah

[Elad]

Most of this is very clear.

However, this idea that thoughts come from the surroundings...

Always?

Is there any obvious relation between thoughts and surroundings, so that in a particular surrounding or with a particular field of sensations the same thought would appear always?

Can you see this is just a "mental model" based on that often thoughts are somehow associated with sensations, but actually not always, not in any linear way, not necessarily?



Point being: In direct experience thoughts just mysteriously come. The seeming connections between them and sensations are *in themselves just thoughts*, not direct experience, but interpretations. Look if this is true.


Try this: Stand in front of the mirror and look at yourself for 5 minutes. Notice which thoughts come up. And notice:

Is it actually clear where thoughts come from?

Sure, some will fit the "mental model" of sensations trigger thoughts, but all? What about the rest?

Aren't the seeming connections between thoughts and sensations and thoughts and other thoughts only interpretations, i.e more thoughts.

This is an important point to look at deeper.

You don't have to answer all of it, but do the mirror exercise and read this message and look deeply at all the questions that boil down to:

Is it known in direct experience where thoughts come from? (like from sensations) Or is it rather a mystery?

[Elad]

So, here are the check-point questions for you to work with. Their purpose is to excavate anything that has been missed in our conversation and also to share your answers with my community of guides for further opportunities to clarify/deepen.

When you post your answer here, please answer all the questions in one post, and use the quote function for each question, so it is easy to see what you are answering.

Take all the time you want with these. No timeline. :)




1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look? Was there a moment of shift with a distinct before and after?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. Consider and describe each if these separately.

6) What makes things happen? How does it work?

7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

8) Anything to add?