A stable foundation of freefall

[Magdalena]

Hello Seth,

Great replies – so much seeing here. 😊

Nothing is separate. It's all one unknowable thing.

Yes, just as there can be no colour separate from seeing or seeing separate from colour; no sound separate from hearing or hearing separate from sound; no taste separate from tasting, and so on, and so on…
Right?

"I" is a story. 'Not present' doesn't exist. Present always is.

So “present” or “not-present” is part of the story, too, is it?

I couldn't find any controller. I felt sensation after the hand move and then story get created around it as though

Right.

Based on the hand exercise and many more experiences, choices and decisions are illusions of story made after the fact of something happening.

Right.

I (the story name given to sensory experience, thought and feeling (each element name an approximation of an aspect of a no-thing that has no separation)) can be grateful for any experience.

Is an experience-er of gratitude (or anything else really) necessary for gratitude (or anything) to be experienced?
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that gratitude (or anything) is experienced?
That it’s simply happening?

Liking and disliking is a story label that can put on anything or taken off and relabeled or left unlabeled. Pain and pleasure are the same thing with different story or thought labels.

Yes.

The story of this process of realization seems to be peeling back all the extra stories we put on no-thing and recognizing that anything beyond no-thing is story.

Yes, so it seems.

Or did you think once awakened you’d have superpowers at your disposal so you’ll never have to open the door for the dog or press the right button AGAIN?

Yes, I did. Now I don't.

Happy to hear this. 😉

What seems magical now in the story of discussing these topics is how action arises from nothing with no controller or decision maker. I don't have a story that can make any sense of that.

I don’t either.

My dog's name is Story btw!

LOL What a great reminder! 😉

If I am not in control in some way, how does my body move?
I just left for a moment to let her in because she scratched at the door and I felt compassion and then my body leapt up to let her in. I don't what made it move.

I don’t either, but it looks like there’s simply responding to circumstances: hearing a sound – labelling the sound as the dog scratching – compassion arising – body getting up and so on.
Just like the dog, right? When the dog feels like coming inside, there’s scratching on the door, and I can imagine wagging her tail or smiling when being let in. But is there a controller inside your dog, making those intentions, choices and decisions? Of course we cannot know for sure what it’s like to experience this as a dog, but chances are it’s all about simply responding to circumstances. That’s what seems to make sense, but is – like anything – mere speculation.

It seems that by recognizing the story, I am liberated from needing to participate in the story

I’d say you continue to participate, but the perspective changes. There is no need to be affected by people’s words or thoughts about how to interpret them, for instance.

…but there are many stories I may want to participate in. I don't want my dog to die for a dumb reason.

Didn’t you let the dog in at the right moment?

What is it that gets me to protect her or seek medical advice or go to work to pay bills if not some kind of attachment(perhaps temporarily) to thought and story?

Some people call it conditioning – the way this personality is inclined to act, following all the patterns instilled in the course of a lifetime (conventionally speaking).
Attachment seems to be superfluous. Were you really attached to some gruesome visual of your dog’s dead body after being hit by a car, or did you simply get your a*s off a chair or sofa, walked to the door and opened it for the dog?

Without meaning, there is no meaning and seemingly no cause to do anything. How do I do anything unbound by thought or story?

Just as you have always done. Just as everyone does.

Is there any reason to believe that there was meaning and cause to do things just because Seth thought there was?


During your day, please observe these things closely: Is there a doer of things? An individual whose intentions get things done? One who has free will to make this or that choice? One who needs meaning to keep going?

Looking forward to your replies.

[Stealth]

Yes, just as there can be no colour separate from seeing or seeing separate from colour; no sound separate from hearing or hearing separate from sound; no taste separate from tasting, and so on, and so on…
Right?

Right

So “present” or “not-present” is part of the story, too, is it?

Right

Is an experience-er of gratitude (or anything else really) necessary for gratitude (or anything) to be experienced?

I don't know.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that gratitude (or anything) is experienced?
That it’s simply happening?

Perhaps.

Just like the dog, right? When the dog feels like coming inside, there’s scratching on the door, and I can imagine wagging her tail or smiling when being let in. But is there a controller inside your dog, making those intentions, choices and decisions? Of course we cannot know for sure what it’s like to experience this as a dog, but chances are it’s all about simply responding to circumstances. That’s what seems to make sense, but is – like anything – mere speculation.

Woof.

Didn’t you let the dog in at the right moment?

'Right moment' is a story. I let the dog in. And that is a story now too.

Attachment seems to be superfluous. Were you really attached to some gruesome visual of your dog’s dead body after being hit by a car, or did you simply get your a*s off a chair or sofa, walked to the door and opened it for the dog?

The memory story is: Story (the dog) barked at strangers. Thoughts arose of something bad happening. Inquiry happened about what gets my body to move. Story scratched at the door. Compassion was felt. Seth-body got up and let her in.

Is there any reason to believe that there was meaning and cause to do things just because Seth thought there was?

There's no reason to believe anything.

During your day, please observe these things closely: Is there a doer of things? An individual whose intentions get things done? One who has free will to make this or that choice? One who needs meaning to keep going?

Is there a doer of things?

The doer and the thing are one.

An individual whose intentions get things done?

There is no individual. Intentions are thought stories. Things getting done doesn't make sense. How can anything be done?

One who has free will to make this or that choice?

All is one. One is all. Free, will and choice are thought stories.

Thank you for the guidance.

[Magdalena]

Hello Seth,

Love your replies.

Some more looking needed here:

Is an experience-er of gratitude (or anything else really) necessary for gratitude (or anything) to be experienced?
I don't know.

LOOK and see.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that gratitude (or anything) is experienced?
That it’s simply happening?
Perhaps.

LOOK and see.

Thank you for looking.

[Stealth]

Is an experience-er of gratitude (or anything else really) necessary for gratitude (or anything) to be experienced?
I don't know.
LOOK and see.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that gratitude (or anything) is experienced?
That it’s simply happening?
Perhaps.
LOOK and see.

Yes, just as there can be no colour separate from seeing or seeing separate from colour; no sound separate from hearing or hearing separate from sound; no taste separate from tasting, and so on, and so on…
Right?

There can be no thing without an experiencer and no experiencer without a thing. The experience and the thing (thought, feeling, sensation) are one and the same.

[Magdalena]

Is the experience-ER and "the thing" experienced ever separate?
LOOK.

[Stealth]

Is the experience-ER and "the thing" experienced ever separate?

No.

[Magdalena]

Is anything else needed for the "stable foundation of freefall"?
Anything missing?
Any doubt?

[Stealth]

So to summarize:

No thing is separate.
There is no controller.
Anything beyond no-thing is story.

There is no self separate from every-thing and no-thing.
Self is all and no-thing.

There is no separation between everything and nothing.

Anything else?

[Magdalena]

Perfect 🙂

We have a set of so-called final questions (though there is nothing finał about any of this), to help us see if everything is clear. After they are answered, you get access to a private forum and Facebook groups where you can talk to others who understand.

Would you like me to send you these questions?

[Stealth]

Perfect 🙂

We have a set of so-called final questions (though there is nothing finał about any of this), to help us see if everything is clear. After they are answered, you get access to a private forum and Facebook groups where you can talk to others who understand.

Would you like me to send you these questions?

Yes, please. Thank you so much :)

[Magdalena]

Thank YOU for looking, Seth.

Here goes.

Please answer all the questions from your current seeing, without going into theoretical concepts.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe
- decision,
- intention,
- free will,
- choice and control.

What makes things happen? How does it work? Give examples from experience.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

[Stealth]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

Illusion of separate self is a story about thoughts that arise about being separate that are believed or grasped. In the story, it starts when thoughts of separation arise and works when more thoughts and stories arise that are also about separation. There is no experience that is 'my own.'

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

While connected to it, my feelings aren't bound exclusively to this thought story. Right now I feel peace and neutrality and a little tired.
The story of my feelings from the past few days ran the whole spectrum of emotions.
Before I started this dialogue, I believed and grasped thought stories about separateness. The difference now is I see thought stories as stories and don't believe or fixate on them.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Pointing from Magdalena and No-thing.

5) Describe
- decision,
.

A thought story about choosing one thing over another.

Describe
- intention,

A thought story about having an aim, intent or goal.

Describe
- free will,

A thought story about being a separate controller and not being controlled

Describe
- choice and control.

Thought stories about decisions, agency, power, influence etc.

What makes things happen? How does it work? Give examples from experience.

Nothing. I don't know.
In my memory story of the hand raising exercise, it was helpful in realizing there is no point or event where decisions are made or actions taken or energy transferred or changed. It's all just one flowing thing/no-thing.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Nothing. Everything. Any example from experience is just a story. I don't and haven't ever existed as separate from all that is and is not so how could I be or not be responsible?

6) Anything to add?

Thank you so much for pointing to nothing, helping me recognize thought stories and that there is no self that is separate from everything and no-thing.

[Magdalena]

Thanks for your answers, Seth. They will now be shared with other guides, who may or may not have extra questions for you

[Magdalena]

Hello Seth,

It appears that the Gateless Gate has been crossed, but is there a Gate? And is there anyone to cross it? And is this an end, a beginning, or both? 😉

There have been no more questions for you, which means that your name will soon be turned blue. Look out for an admin message about the various options available to you now, such as joining our Facebook groups, and other matters.

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It's been lovely talking to you. See you on the other side. 🙂🙂🙂

[Stealth]

Woohoo! Thank you Magdalena :)