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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Marcosen » Thu May 23, 2024 3:24 pm

Thanks Stacy,
This one's been fun.

You asked...
Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?


Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

However, is an apple actually known?[/quote]


After having a clear look this is what I found...

All thoughts about the apple are nothing other than the ‘content’ of thoughts.
At this level, there is only an experiencing of the knowledge one has of the apple.

Yes, I can label the object as apple, but this doesn’t tell me anything about the apple,
or get me any closer to knowing what the apple is.

Direct experience of the apple is that there is colour-seen, texture-sensation-felt, taste,
fragrance-smelled and the thoughts that arise whilst carrying out this experiment.

So no, no apple can be found in actual experience.

I hope this makes sense.

Thanks again.
~ Marco

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu May 23, 2024 4:16 pm

Yes, exactly.

Feel into these. How does it FEEL to realize there's no "apple?"

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Marcosen » Thu May 23, 2024 5:51 pm

How does it FEEL to realize there's no "apple?"
The sensations in the solar plexus are 'expansive' 'relaxing' 'opening'.
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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu May 23, 2024 6:20 pm

Good!

Palm Flipping Exercise

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.

2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience.

Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:

How is the movement controlled?

Does a thought control it?

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Marcosen » Thu May 23, 2024 7:27 pm

How is the movement controlled?

I have absolutely no idea!

Does a thought control it?

No

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

No

How is the decision made to turn the hand over?

Again, I have no idea.

Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

It happens independently of thought. When I chose to move the hand by way of thought, it even seems to happen prior to the thought being consciously thought!

Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

No one chose, it just happened.

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

None whatsoever!


This is great stuff!

Thank you :)
~ Marco

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu May 23, 2024 8:07 pm

Great!

Again, how does it FEEL to see this?

Can you find any separate "self" anywhere?

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Marcosen » Thu May 23, 2024 10:15 pm

Again, how does it FEEL to see this?

Warm. Open. Expansive.

Can you find any separate "self" anywhere?

There is no separate “self” to be found anywhere in direct experience!
How could this have been overlooked for so long? It's so immediate! So obvious!!!


Thank you Stacy!
~ Marco

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Anastacia42 » Fri May 24, 2024 12:13 am

That's good, Marco.]

Is there anything left to seek?


Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Marcosen » Fri May 24, 2024 6:39 am

Morning Stacy.
It was good to sleep on it last night.
Waking up this morning, the feeling is the same.
In answer to your question...

Is there anything left to seek?

There is nothing left to seek. The whole idea of seeking and the seeker really feels beside the point now.
It was assumed before that there was a 'self' to 'see through', 'transcend', 'unravel' and so on. But now it's
clear that there never was a 'self' to begin with!!! My goodness! Laughing...

THANK YOU, Stacy. :)
~ Marco

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Anastacia42 » Fri May 24, 2024 10:56 am

You are so welcome. We have some traditional final questions. Rather than waiting for an answer I'm going to assume that you would like to try those..



1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Loving
~ Stacy

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Marcosen » Sat May 25, 2024 9:12 am

Good morning Stacy.

Thank you so much for sending the latest questions over.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

There is no separate entity, ‘self’, ‘me’ or ‘I’ here in any way, shape or form. There never was.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of the separate self is a thought created construct. A story made of thought. It’s a narrative that seems to overlay direct experience. I say it ‘seems’ to because it never actually does overlay, it only appears to. There’s just Life happening. An inexplicable, vibrant, indefinable happening.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels so natural, so obvious, so clear that this is how it’s always been. (I must point out that that’s not clarity of thought). It’s deeper and richer than thought could ever touch.
The difference from before I started this dialogue, you could say, is one of disbelief that I could have ever have got caught up in the narrative.
At the start of the dialogue, there was the assumption that there was someone who needed to see through something called a separate self. And to see if the previous so-called Awakening experiences were valid or just more egoic fantasises. It is so clear now that this was just more thoughts, concepts and ideas with absolutely no inherent solidity at all. It was all a fantasy, thought constructed illusion. These are just words, they don’t really do this any justice.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

It’s hard to pinpoint the exact moment, or bit. There wasn’t an ah ha moment. It’s not about understanding. I didn’t see that there was no-self. It’s what’s always been the case. A self didn’t drop away and there was seeing. There was no self there to begin with. Even the idea that there was/is a self, there, seems really absurd now. The exercises were very potent, but, it was the looking itself that was key.

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

What we usually describe as decisions usually relates to someone who makes decisions. There is no one, so decisions are made without a decider.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

There is no one who can have something called an intention. Intentions arise, are acted upon, or not. It just happens with no one doing it.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

There is no free will. Free will is a concept, rooted in the assumption that there’s an independent ‘I’, me, ‘Self’ that is running the show. It’s clear that the idea of free will just doesn’t hold up. Life is happening by itself with no ‘I’, me, ‘Self’ doing it.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

There is no one that’s choosing. If choice happens, it happens by itself.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

There is no one who has something called control. There is no experience of controlling anything. Again, it would imply that there was someone there to be in control, and some-thing to control. There is no one. There are no things.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

There is nothing that makes apparent ‘things’ happen. There are no ‘things’. There is only ‘Life’ happening. One seamless flow of existence. No cause and effect. Just movement. The ocean waving, the wind wind-ing…

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

I am not responsible for anything. There is no ‘I’, therefore there is no responsibility.


6) Anything to add?


I’d like to thank you, Stacy, for your clear pointing. I deeply appreciate your help with this enquiry. You did an amazing job! And, thank you to the LU team for the work you do! If there’s anything I can do to help the cause, it would be my honour.


Much love,
~ Marco

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Anastacia42 » Sat May 25, 2024 9:39 am

Beautiful. Marco. You may choose to become a guide yourself when we're finished.

Your answers will be shared with other guides who may have questions.

Stay tuned!

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Marcosen » Sat May 25, 2024 3:58 pm

Fantastic!

Thank you, Stacy.
~ Marco

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Anastacia42 » Sat May 25, 2024 9:31 pm

Good work, Marco! No one had any questions.

That was one of the clearest conversations I've ever guided.

You should have received an email with further information about connecting with us after this.

Thank you & much love,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

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Re: No Self or New Self?

Postby Marcosen » Sun May 26, 2024 9:24 am

It was thanks to your wise guidance and powerful pointers. :)

You're doing great work!

Thank you & Much love,
~ Marco

"If life wasn’t a problem to be solved, what would it look like?"


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