The body is just itself. "I" has no inherent essential meaning, it is just a term used in thought and belief.Beautiful! Now please look closer.
Is there an inherent connection between the word "I" and "the meat suit"? Does the meat suit inherently say it is "I" or it is just itself? Does "I" inherently refer to meat suit or it is just a word/sound/thought with no inherent essential meaning?
I understand that conventionally speaking we use the word to refer to a specific body mind. But here now we wanna make sure it is clear: does this connection exist in direct experience or only in thought and belief?
I humbly seek a Guide
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mariposa33
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Re: I humbly seek a Guide
Exactly. Sounds like there is clear seeing. At such a point we often give final quesitons to answer, to see if there is anything to clarify further. These answers will be reviewed by me and three other guides. Do you feel ready for these questions or is there something you would like for us to look at before?
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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mariposa33
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Re: I humbly seek a Guide
Hello Elad!Exactly. Sounds like there is clear seeing. At such a point we often give final questions to answer, to see if there is anything to clarify further. These answers will be reviewed by me and three other guides. Do you feel ready for these questions or is there something you would like for us to look at before?
I am ready. I cannot think of anything else to look at. I truly appreciate the time and energy you've directed into our conversation. I appreciate your guiding.
Re: I humbly seek a Guide
It's a pleasure to explore with you! Please answer the following questions in one message. Make sure you answer each one below "ANSWER" so it is easy for the other guides to track what questions you are answering individually. Make sure to answer all questions. Take all the time you need and enjoy. After receiving your answers maybe we will inquire more together or maybe 3 other guides will have some things to inquire into with you. After that you and I will talk about onwards, lovely opportunities to stay in touch and exchange with "like-minded/hearted". Remember, answer only from direct experience, not from conviction or past experience. If something doesn't feel possible to answer, stay honest to that. Keep it simple and real. Enjoy.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
ANSWER:
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
ANSWER:
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER:
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Re: I humbly seek a Guide
It's been a while :) Checking in how are things?
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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mariposa33
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My sincere apologies Elad. I got hyperfocused on schoolwork with some major assignments being due all at once. I appreciate the check-in! I intended to find a time to dedicate my focus to responding, not leave the discussion. I hope my responses find you well.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
ANSWER: No. There is a reference to self in the sense of expressing the human experience, memories, etc of "Jesska".
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER: The illusion of separate self is a distraction; a story/narrative we participate in (and learn to mimic from those around us) overlaying to make us feel like we are safe and/or in control of the world 'around us'.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER: It feels content, like an exhale. Tension in my body dissipates, relaxation flows through my body. The difference from before our dialogue started is that I have found the like-minded/hearted !
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER: I was seeking the like-minded/hearted.
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER: Overlays, thoughts, labels... words we attach to the narrative of the "self".
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER: Things simply are. They happen, they continue to happen, they have always just been.
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER: Living a life of joy, beauty, meaning and service through remembering the direct experience of no self. To make habit of recalling the experience and knowledge of this journey.
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER:Marsii (thank you), again, for the time, energy and thought you put into our interactions. I truly appreciate having you as my guide and for the check-in's throughout the journey. I wish you health and happiness!
Re: I humbly seek a Guide
Hi Jesska :) Lots of clarity here and take all the time you wish. Just wanted to make sure it was not stuckness with something. Please send all the answers again not within a quote but as main text. And also, please re answer the following questions:
1) is there a real separate human experience of Jesska or is that only an idea, a belief? Please answer question one again in a way so it is unmistakable.
3) What does it mean I have found the like minded/like hearted ! What has found? Are there real separate persons or this is a thought?
4) ) This question means to ask what/how you finally saw clearly in direct experience that self and agency is illusion, please reanswer
5) Your answer is right, but can you say a little more to make it more clear what is seen? Is there any agency or control at all? Give examples how it works with particular seeming intentions, choices, decisions, will etc.
7) "ANSWER: Living a life of joy, beauty, meaning and service through remembering the direct experience of no self. To make habit of recalling the experience and knowledge of this journey."
What is this I/you that can be responsible for living such a life? What can be responsible to make such a habit? Is there a you that can be responsible for that and make such a habit? Or is all this only stories/ideas on top of a mystery that has no separation and is completely without the control and agency of any you/self/Jesska?
On second thought please just answer all these particular questions I asked here to me, rather then send all the final questions again. After we get clarity on them I will ask you to re send all the final questions with the full clarity 🙏
1) is there a real separate human experience of Jesska or is that only an idea, a belief? Please answer question one again in a way so it is unmistakable.
3) What does it mean I have found the like minded/like hearted ! What has found? Are there real separate persons or this is a thought?
4) ) This question means to ask what/how you finally saw clearly in direct experience that self and agency is illusion, please reanswer
5) Your answer is right, but can you say a little more to make it more clear what is seen? Is there any agency or control at all? Give examples how it works with particular seeming intentions, choices, decisions, will etc.
7) "ANSWER: Living a life of joy, beauty, meaning and service through remembering the direct experience of no self. To make habit of recalling the experience and knowledge of this journey."
What is this I/you that can be responsible for living such a life? What can be responsible to make such a habit? Is there a you that can be responsible for that and make such a habit? Or is all this only stories/ideas on top of a mystery that has no separation and is completely without the control and agency of any you/self/Jesska?
On second thought please just answer all these particular questions I asked here to me, rather then send all the final questions again. After we get clarity on them I will ask you to re send all the final questions with the full clarity 🙏
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Re: I humbly seek a Guide
How are things?
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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mariposa33
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Re: I humbly seek a Guide
Things are happening. Final projects are piling up and spring is coming! I hope you are well. I have re-answered the following questions:
1) There is no separate self, Jesska or otherwise. Jesska is an idea.
3) There are no separate persons to be found, there is no self that found. That is a thought.
4) I was floating (in a float tank) and observing my thoughts and sensations, when I realized that "I" wasn't needed to have any of this occur. Things just are, they happen, and "I' am not in control of any of the cycles existing without the need for "me" to do anything.
5) There is no agency at all. Every word used to describe agency, control, will, decision, etc.. is a thought. When we make a "decision", there is no decision to be made, but we create a narrative to validate a craving to 'feel' otherwise. There is no choice to be made, no will to be had, no intention to make. There is no "self", so there is no agency.
7) My answer would have been stories/ideas. The incomprehensible mystery has no separation from 'me' and there is no self to be in control or have agency. There is no self to be responsible for.
1) There is no separate self, Jesska or otherwise. Jesska is an idea.
3) There are no separate persons to be found, there is no self that found. That is a thought.
4) I was floating (in a float tank) and observing my thoughts and sensations, when I realized that "I" wasn't needed to have any of this occur. Things just are, they happen, and "I' am not in control of any of the cycles existing without the need for "me" to do anything.
5) There is no agency at all. Every word used to describe agency, control, will, decision, etc.. is a thought. When we make a "decision", there is no decision to be made, but we create a narrative to validate a craving to 'feel' otherwise. There is no choice to be made, no will to be had, no intention to make. There is no "self", so there is no agency.
7) My answer would have been stories/ideas. The incomprehensible mystery has no separation from 'me' and there is no self to be in control or have agency. There is no self to be responsible for.
Re: I humbly seek a Guide
Hi Jesska. This sounds quite clear to me. Can you please write it all in one message in the original question and answer format, maybe other guides can help clarify something further. You can copy and paste from former answers or rewrite as you wish. For your convenience here hare the questions:
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
ANSWER:
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER:
ANSWER:
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER:
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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mariposa33
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- Joined: Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:07 am
Re: I humbly seek a Guide
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
ANSWER: There is no separate self, Jesska or otherwise. Jesska is an idea.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER: The illusion of separate self is a distraction; a story/narrative we participate in (and learn to mimic from those around us) overlaying to make us feel like we are safe and/or in control of the world 'around us'.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER: It feels content, like an exhale. Tension in my body dissipates, relaxation flows through my body. The difference is the lack of tension in the body.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER: I was floating (in a float tank) and observing my thoughts and sensations, when I realized that "I" wasn't needed to have any of this occur. Things just are, they happen, and "I' am not in control of any of the cycles existing without the need for "me" to do anything.
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice, and control.
ANSWER: Overlays, thoughts, labels... words we attach to the narrative of the "self". There is no agency at all. Every word used to describe agency, control, will, decision, etc.. is a thought. When we make a "decision", there is no decision to be made, but we create a narrative to validate a craving to 'feel' otherwise. There is no choice to be made, no will to be had, no intention to make. There is no "self", so there is no agency.
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER: Things simply are. They happen, they continue to happen, they have always just been.
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER: Nothing. There is no self to be responsible, or to be responsible for. The incomprehensible mystery has no separation from 'me' and there is no self to be in control or have agency.
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER: Thank you for your patience and for clarifying things.
ANSWER: There is no separate self, Jesska or otherwise. Jesska is an idea.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER: The illusion of separate self is a distraction; a story/narrative we participate in (and learn to mimic from those around us) overlaying to make us feel like we are safe and/or in control of the world 'around us'.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER: It feels content, like an exhale. Tension in my body dissipates, relaxation flows through my body. The difference is the lack of tension in the body.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER: I was floating (in a float tank) and observing my thoughts and sensations, when I realized that "I" wasn't needed to have any of this occur. Things just are, they happen, and "I' am not in control of any of the cycles existing without the need for "me" to do anything.
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice, and control.
ANSWER: Overlays, thoughts, labels... words we attach to the narrative of the "self". There is no agency at all. Every word used to describe agency, control, will, decision, etc.. is a thought. When we make a "decision", there is no decision to be made, but we create a narrative to validate a craving to 'feel' otherwise. There is no choice to be made, no will to be had, no intention to make. There is no "self", so there is no agency.
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER: Things simply are. They happen, they continue to happen, they have always just been.
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER: Nothing. There is no self to be responsible, or to be responsible for. The incomprehensible mystery has no separation from 'me' and there is no self to be in control or have agency.
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER: Thank you for your patience and for clarifying things.
Re: I humbly seek a Guide
Hi Jesska, three other guides reviewed your answers and had no questions, so you are officially graduated from LU :) Nerina will contact you here to invite you to the Facebook group for "gatecrashers". I'll be happy to connect with you there or over email and stay in touch. It can be helpful to interact and explore with like-minded, for most of us exploration and clarification continues in various ways. Also consider guiding in the future once it feels ready. You can talk with me about that or any other questions on Facebook or write eladexplore1111@gmail.com. It was a pleasure walking with you 🙏🤍
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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