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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby graceabounds » Sat Nov 29, 2025 2:20 pm

The thoughts are appearing and I can't control them. I feel clear on that.
Great!

It felt as if things were just happening and then the mind was thinking thoughts, then there was the experience of the gaps.
Ok, from here, look:
Where is the self? Is there ever anything but things just happening? Has there ever been a doer? of anything?

I am stuck on the attention thing. Even in the noticing of thoughts and observing gaps, it feels like me controlling attention
Let’s reframe ‘stuck’. This is simply the next layer.
Turn inward to that subtle sense of “me.” The felt location or center. That which is doing the observing.
Where is it?

Not the idea of it. The felt sense.
Is it in the head? Behind the eyes? In the chest?

Pinpoint it.
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby Thethisist » Sun Nov 30, 2025 4:10 am

Where is the self? Is there ever anything but things just happening? Has there ever been a doer? of anything?
can't find a self anywhere, when I looked there was just this open, empty space. I still feel a 'me' there that is doing things.

Turn inward to that subtle sense of “me.” The felt location or center. That which is doing the observing.
Where is it?
When I look for 'me' it feels like it is in my belly, but also just in space.

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby graceabounds » Sun Nov 30, 2025 12:36 pm

when I looked there was just this open, empty space. I still feel a 'me' there that is doing things.
Good. Bring it fully into view.

You feel it in the belly, and also “just in space.”

Close your eyes. Feel the belly sensation. Go into it. Let it take over the whole field. Don’t run from it. Don’t push it away.

This is the ghost that claims to be “you.”

Now ask it, directly:

What are you?
Are you doing anything?

Let it express. Not with language (probably), let it reveal itself.

Now shift from the story about me to the actual feeling of “me”.

Does this feeling of “me” choose anything?
Or is it just a sensation vibrating, shifting, floating in space?

Stay longer than is comfortable…

This has always been it.
Open. Empty. Without center.

If the “me” sensation disappears what remains?

Does the world collapse?

Was the “me” ever needed?
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby Thethisist » Mon Dec 01, 2025 5:34 am

Becca,
I keep trying to feel the thing that I thought was me and it doesn't really feel like me anymore. There are just these vibrations and if I feel into them its just a big empty space.
I tried to ask it the questions you prompted.

What are you?
Are you doing anything?

I'm not getting much of anything, just a bit of change in sensations, muscle spasms here and there, flashes of light and color, sometimes feeling a jerking sensation like I'm falling (like you get when you're going to sleep) but I'm not sleepy. These sensations aren't intense and have been happening for a many months with me so I just notice them and let them do their thing.
What I'm watching just feels like empty space that is sort of behind or below the sensations. It feels peaceful and timeless and like it's always been there but it really has nothing to do with this personality.

So the empty space behind sensations doesn't seem to be 'me'. I'm not really finding a sense of me there at all. Sorry if I'm not really answering your questions. I was trying to but then I realized I don't think there is a sense of me that can disappear or choose or be anything. Where do I go from here?

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby graceabounds » Mon Dec 01, 2025 2:32 pm

Hello,

Nowhere to go. You’re already here.
it doesn't really feel like me anymore
its just a big empty space
It feels peaceful and timeless and like it's always been there
I'm not really finding a sense of me there at all.
I realized I don't think there is a sense of me that can disappear or choose or be anything
There’s no need to stabilize this or go anywhere.
There’s nothing to hold onto, its always been this way.

Looking freshly right now:
Is there a self doing anything?
Is there any boundary between you and experience?
What is undeniably true, without any interpretation?
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby Thethisist » Tue Dec 02, 2025 5:36 am

Is there a self doing anything?
Is there any boundary between you and experience?
What is undeniably true, without any interpretation?
There is no self in this experience but it still seems that there is a boundary.
when I look inside at what I feel to be me, there is just this limitless, timeless openness, but with outside sensation it is like there is an experiencer. The inner sensation that felt it had an emptiness behind or underneath it feels merged with the experience now, but sight, sound ect are still feeling like they are happening to some sort of an experiencer.

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby graceabounds » Tue Dec 02, 2025 7:24 pm

Ok.

The usual belief that 'I am this body' is usually tied in with the belief that the body as a separate item is responsible or 'DOING' the senses - 'I see', 'I hear', 'I feel' etc

We will begin with 'seeing' - Just that one sense on its own.

Close your eyes. With eyes closed, you will now experience 'blackness'. There may be other things you can
find going on, sure. If you are looking at a bright light, there may be a red glow. There may be sparkly bits or cloudy flecks appearing and disappearing - It really doesn't matter about the specifics.

Just to make things simple, whatever you can see with eyes closed, I'm going to refer to it as 'black' or 'blackness' just for simplicity.

1) With eyes closed, can you confirm that what is experienced is 'blackness' as I mentioned?
2) Is there anything else in 'seeing' other than 'blackness'?
3) Can what is witnessing the blackness be found?
4) Can a pair of eyes, an 'I' / 'me', a person be found that is witnessing the blackness? Or is there just 'blackness' to be found?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT SEE-ER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the see-er, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

Next, find somewhere quiet to sit. Rest for a moment and listen to the sounds in the room where you are, or sounds from outside. Whatever it is, I'll just refer to it as 'what can be heard'.

1) In 'hearing' can anything be found other than 'what can be heard'?
2) Can what is doing the hearing be found? Or is there only 'what can be heard'?
3) An 'I'? a 'body'? a 'person'? a brain? a pair of ears? Can these be found doing the hearing? Or is there just 'what can be heard'?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT HEARER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the hearer, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

Let me know how this goes…
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby graceabounds » Tue Dec 02, 2025 7:25 pm

Ok.

The usual belief that 'I am this body' is usually tied in with the belief that the body as a separate item is responsible or 'DOING' the senses - 'I see', 'I hear', 'I feel' etc

We will begin with 'seeing' - Just that one sense on its own.

Close your eyes. With eyes closed, you will now experience 'blackness'. There may be other things you can
find going on, sure. If you are looking at a bright light, there may be a red glow. There may be sparkly bits or cloudy flecks appearing and disappearing - It really doesn't matter about the specifics.

Just to make things simple, whatever you can see with eyes closed, I'm going to refer to it as 'black' or 'blackness' just for simplicity.

1) With eyes closed, can you confirm that what is experienced is 'blackness' as I mentioned?
2) Is there anything else in 'seeing' other than 'blackness'?
3) Can what is witnessing the blackness be found?
4) Can a pair of eyes, an 'I' / 'me', a person be found that is witnessing the blackness? Or is there just 'blackness' to be found?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT SEE-ER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the see-er, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

Next, find somewhere quiet to sit. Rest for a moment and listen to the sounds in the room where you are, or sounds from outside. Whatever it is, I'll just refer to it as 'what can be heard'.

1) In 'hearing' can anything be found other than 'what can be heard'?
2) Can what is doing the hearing be found? Or is there only 'what can be heard'?
3) An 'I'? a 'body'? a 'person'? a brain? a pair of ears? Can these be found doing the hearing? Or is there just 'what can be heard'?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT HEARER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the hearer, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?
se
Let me know how this goes…
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby graceabounds » Tue Dec 02, 2025 7:30 pm

Ok.

The usual belief that 'I am this body' is usually tied in with the belief that the body as a separate item is responsible or 'DOING' the senses - 'I see', 'I hear', 'I feel' etc

We will begin with 'seeing' - Just that one sense on its own.

Close your eyes. With eyes closed, you will now experience 'blackness'. There may be other things you can
find going on, sure. If you are looking at a bright light, there may be a red glow. There may be sparkly bits or cloudy flecks appearing and disappearing - It really doesn't matter about the specifics.

Just to make things simple, whatever you can see with eyes closed, I'm going to refer to it as 'black' or 'blackness' just for simplicity.

1) With eyes closed, can you confirm that what is experienced is 'blackness' as I mentioned?
2) Is there anything else in 'seeing' other than 'blackness'?
3) Can what is witnessing the blackness be found?
4) Can a pair of eyes, an 'I' / 'me', a person be found that is witnessing the blackness? Or is there just 'blackness' to be found?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT SEE-ER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the see-er, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

Next, find somewhere quiet to sit. Rest for a moment and listen to the sounds in the room where you are, or sounds from outside. Whatever it is, I'll just refer to it as 'what can be heard'.

1) In 'hearing' can anything be found other than 'what can be heard'?
2) Can what is doing the hearing be found? Or is there only 'what can be heard'?
3) An 'I'? a 'body'? a 'person'? a brain? a pair of ears? Can these be found doing the hearing? Or is there just 'what can be heard'?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT HEARER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the hearer, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?
se
Let me know how this goes…
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby graceabounds » Tue Dec 02, 2025 7:31 pm

Ok.

The usual belief that 'I am this body' is usually tied in with the belief that the body as a separate item is responsible or 'DOING' the senses - 'I see', 'I hear', 'I feel' etc

We will begin with 'seeing' - Just that one sense on its own.

Close your eyes. With eyes closed, you will now experience 'blackness'. There may be other things you can
find going on, sure. If you are looking at a bright light, there may be a red glow. There may be sparkly bits or cloudy flecks appearing and disappearing - It really doesn't matter about the specifics.

Just to make things simple, whatever you can see with eyes closed, I'm going to refer to it as 'black' or 'blackness' just for simplicity.

1) With eyes closed, can you confirm that what is experienced is 'blackness' as I mentioned?
2) Is there anything else in 'seeing' other than 'blackness'?
3) Can what is witnessing the blackness be found?
4) Can a pair of eyes, an 'I' / 'me', a person be found that is witnessing the blackness? Or is there just 'blackness' to be found?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT SEE-ER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the see-er, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

Next, find somewhere quiet to sit. Rest for a moment and listen to the sounds in the room where you are, or sounds from outside. Whatever it is, I'll just refer to it as 'what can be heard'.

1) In 'hearing' can anything be found other than 'what can be heard'?
2) Can what is doing the hearing be found? Or is there only 'what can be heard'?
3) An 'I'? a 'body'? a 'person'? a brain? a pair of ears? Can these be found doing the hearing? Or is there just 'what can be heard'?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT HEARER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the hearer, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?
se
Let me know how this goes…
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby graceabounds » Tue Dec 02, 2025 7:33 pm

Ok.

The usual belief that 'I am this body' is usually tied in with the belief that the body as a separate item is responsible or 'DOING' the senses - 'I see', 'I hear', 'I feel' etc

We will begin with 'seeing' - Just that one sense on its own.

Close your eyes. With eyes closed, you will now experience 'blackness'. There may be other things you can
find going on, sure. If you are looking at a bright light, there may be a red glow. There may be sparkly bits or cloudy flecks appearing and disappearing - It really doesn't matter about the specifics.

Just to make things simple, whatever you can see with eyes closed, I'm going to refer to it as 'black' or 'blackness' just for simplicity.

1) With eyes closed, can you confirm that what is experienced is 'blackness' as I mentioned?
2) Is there anything else in 'seeing' other than 'blackness'?
3) Can what is witnessing the blackness be found?
4) Can a pair of eyes, an 'I' / 'me', a person be found that is witnessing the blackness? Or is there just 'blackness' to be found?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT SEE-ER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the see-er, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

Next, find somewhere quiet to sit. Rest for a moment and listen to the sounds in the room where you are, or sounds from outside. Whatever it is, I'll just refer to it as 'what can be heard'.

1) In 'hearing' can anything be found other than 'what can be heard'?
2) Can what is doing the hearing be found? Or is there only 'what can be heard'?
3) An 'I'? a 'body'? a 'person'? a brain? a pair of ears? Can these be found doing the hearing? Or is there just 'what can be heard'?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT HEARER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the hearer, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?
se
Let me know how this goes…
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby graceabounds » Tue Dec 02, 2025 10:52 pm

Sorry for the repeat posts, site was glitching and then went down for several hours. Seems back to normal now…
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby Thethisist » Thu Dec 04, 2025 5:39 am

Becca,
Yay!! the site is back up. I kept checking back and I guess the servers were down. I understand the multiple posts.
1) With eyes closed, can you confirm that what is experienced is 'blackness' as I mentioned?
2) Is there anything else in 'seeing' other than 'blackness'?
3) Can what is witnessing the blackness be found?
4) Can a pair of eyes, an 'I' / 'me', a person be found that is witnessing the blackness? Or is there just 'blackness' to be found?
with eyes closed I just see the blackness
There is nothing else to seeing, just the seen there may be an effort to experience 'seeing' as opposed to hearing or touch but no thoughts about what is seen
There isn't anyone witnessing blackness.
1) In 'hearing' can anything be found other than 'what can be heard'?
2) Can what is doing the hearing be found? Or is there only 'what can be heard'?
3) An 'I'? a 'body'? a 'person'? a brain? a pair of ears? Can these be found doing the hearing? Or is there just 'what can be heard'?
What do you find?
Can an INHERENT HEARER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the hearer, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

There is just hearing
I can't find anything hearing
Nothing is found doing the hearing, there is only what is heard.

I feel like I get all this as I'm sitting and looking inward. I think what I'm experiencing is that when there is actual seeing objects with my eyes open or when I hear words or music or something like that the thoughts are there so instantaneously that there is no gap between the seeing and hearing and the thought and that makes me feel like there is something between me and the experience. So maybe its not that I haven't seen through the self but its more a lack of practice separating thoughts from experience?

Thank you.

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby graceabounds » Thu Dec 04, 2025 1:36 pm

Great, let’s open the eyes then.

Let's move on to opening the eyes now.
Again, address this very simply - The 'seeing' sense only for the moment.
With eyes open, a world of objects appears . . . a room . . . a computer screen etc
What you can specifically see isn't of interest here, and whatever it is, I am simply going to refer to it as 'what can be seen'.

This might be a little more tricky, but give it some consideration.
1) With eyes open, can you confirm that what is experienced is 'what can be seen' as I mentioned?
2) Is there anything else in 'seeing' other than 'what can be seen'?
3) Can what is witnessing 'what can be seen' be found?
4) Can a pair of eyes, an 'I' / 'me', a Stacey be found that is witnessing 'what can be seen'?
Or is there just simply 'what can be seen' to be found?

What do you find?
Can an INHERENT SEE-ER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the see-er, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

And sound:

For this exercise you will need to sit yourself near a clock that has an audible second
hand. If you don’t have a ticking clock, there are plenty of them on youtube, just search.

Listen to the sound. “Tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock”
Focus on the tick tock. Attune to the sound itself. IGNORE any explanatory thoughts about what must be creating the sound.

Try to find the clock.

1. Going just by the tick tock sound, do you find a clock present?
2. Is there any direct/actual experience of a clock in the sound?
3. Does the sound come self-labelled as originating from the clock?
4. Do you find a clock hidden in the sound?
5. Do you find a clock beyond the sound?
6. In your direct/actual experience of the sound, do you find any evidence that the sound is caused by a clock?
Allow your eyes to open.
Were you able to establish that in your direct/actual experience of the tick tock sound, that there was a clock?
Were you able to find a division between hearing and sound?

Were you able to establish where hearing ended and sound begin, or was there just pure experience labelled as sound?
For a sound to be ‘known’ then there must be a ‘knowing’ (experience) of sound! Can a dividing line be found between the ‘knowing’ (experience) of the sound and the sound (known) itself? Or is there only ‘knowingknown’?


You’re not missing anything. You’ve already seen through…

There’s no one here. No one doing the seeing. No one doing the hearing. No one in control of a gap. :)

that makes me feel like there is something between me and the experience
Is this direct experience or a thought about how something ‘should’ be?

So maybe its not that I haven't seen through the self but its more a lack of practice separating thoughts from experience?
That is the illusion reasserting itself as the one who must now practice.
But if there is no one seeing or hearing who is going to practice?
Who is going to “separate” thoughts from experience?
Who needs to get better?

Look again now, freshly:
Is there any self doing, watching, choosing?

Much love,
Becca
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Being is exhausting

Postby Thethisist » Fri Dec 05, 2025 6:49 am

Becca,

Sight:
In sight there is only seeing, there isn't a Stacey or anything else seeing it. Thoughts appear and sometimes they don't. I see that identification is just another thought about thought.
Sound:
The sound is not a clock, I think it sounds like a clock but that is just a thought. Sound is the only thing happening in direct experience. The only place the clock exists is in a memory or an idea. With the eyes opened there is still just seeing and sound. With both seeing and hearing there's still no reference to clocks outside of thought.
Were you able to find a division between hearing and sound?
There isn't really a difference between hearing and sound or sight and seeing or seeing and hearing. All of the division in my experience required thoughts.

Were you able to establish where hearing ended and sound begin, or was there just pure experience labelled as sound?
Just pure experience.

Look again now, freshly:
Is there any self doing, watching, choosing?
I still can't find anything. That was a new realization for me with the sense of seeing and hearing not seeming to have division outside of thought. I probably saw through self months ago and now I'm dealing with doubt.
Thank you for helping me realize that.

This has been a really wonderful guidance and it has helped me go deeper even if there isn't someone who can do that. I still feel like I'm on the verge of something but I'm very tired of thoughts.

Goodnight,
Stacey


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