Liberation - Help me see through it

[seeker03]

Hi Stacy,

Thank you so much for all the links here. I will look these and continue writing to you.

After going through all these inquiries yes, there is a sense of that I am unable to find a separate self but it's a kind of distant feeling right now and not permanent, and I have to constantly question.. like see who is doing it.. is there anyone doing it.. I am seeing that there is only see but no sear, there is only heard but no one hearing, there is only sensation but no one is feeling, all the internal functions like heart is beating, food is getting digested, thought is flowing, thinking happening.. all these are happening on it's own whether I want it or not, but why it feels not so strong.. Why even after knowing this, I can't say with all conviction that there is no self, why this sense of self is so so strong that it always feels "I" exists.. but I literally do not find it when I look and questions everything. These whys are making me restless.

Do meditation only reach us to the actual realization ? And there is no force when it will come, does it comes on it's own ? How do you feel about everything when you get enlightenment, how do you see everything.. Do you see everything happening and back of your mind you have this constant knowing that you are not doing it because there is no 'YOU' . How does a enlightened person talks.. walks.. do he be even get interested on anything since he knows it's not he who will get anything from any act.. Please quench my thirst.. I want to know.. please pardon me if I am sounding like a child.

OM SHANTI !

[Anastacia42]

Hi,

I and 19 others wrote this to answer those questions & more. They're normal questions.

https://a.co/d/f4a9Qbt

Basically that's what they say, "Chop wood, carry water.".

Once you saw that Santa Claus was only a man in a red suit, did you have to keep checking over and over again? There's no need. You already know.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

Still there?

[seeker03]

Hi Stacy,

Thank you for your guidance to show me the reality but when I see it, I felt very ordinary. I understand now I know it and all those questions I have is only imaginary and thought influenced. You rightly said; before the knowledge "Chop wood, carry water" After the knowledge "Chop wood, carry water". It's just life, and it's just is. There is just change in the perception, it's just like I know the "earth orbits the sun but it's appears the opposite".

I think I need to read about different people who already have walked on this path. I need to learn from them. It's very beginning for me.. the 'I' in me is still not fully dropped and I have to practice till I reach there. I will practice meditation (Still not started, but I am getting the pull towards it to do it)

So, is that's it ? is there any more things to know ?

OM SHANTI !

[Anastacia42]

Hi,

There is nothing to *know* Only to experience.

There are many more pointers I can give.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ksba3zhi9uuz ... hsk1a?dl=0

Why even after knowing this, I can't say with all conviction that there is no self, why this sense of self is so so strong that it always feels "I" exists.. but I literally do not find it when I look and questions everything. These whys are making me restless.

Because you are believing the lies your thoughts tell you.

When you found out that Santa Claus is only a man in a red suit, did you have to keep checking? Or did you find out once and you were done?

I can give you videos about Doubt.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n6RnrkOD7 ... BphAoK764

Do meditation only reach us to the actual realization ?

Are you asking if meditation is the only way? Pretty much. Any one of these pointers can help. It is likely to happen when you are *not* thinking about it.

And there is no force when it will come, does it comes on it's own ?

"Enlightenment is an accident. Meditation makes us accident prone.
Sunryu Suzuki

How do you feel about everything when you get enlightenment, how do you see everything.. Do you see everything happening and back of your mind you have this constant knowing that you are not doing it because there is no 'YOU' .

Yes, mostly. But I slip sometimes, too. It is "Lather, rinse, repeat." Every time we believe an untrue thought it kicks us out of awareness, but not really.

How does a enlightened person talks.. walks.. do he be even get interested on anything since he knows it's not he who will get anything from any act.

This is different for different people, so I really can't answer that, but I do recommend the book I posted about. That is 20 people's experiences.

Also, download "Gateless Gatecrashers" from this site under Books. There are examples of dialogues that led to awakening.

OK, so that is a lot. Take your time. Do all of these, but don't rush.

Loving,

[seeker03]

Hi Stacy,

Thank you so much for all the answers, though I understand all these my doubts are thought influenced and a lie.

Whatever you have shared with me I will continue going though them.


OM SHANTI !

[Anastacia42]

Yes, please keep LOOKING

https://youtu.be/wyNwhK2Ur1c?si=TZwuFEst-7Hsadpu

and

https://www.liberationunleashed.com/res ... ar-seeker/

Loving

[Anastacia42]

Hi Micky,

Are you ghosting the thread?

Did something come up?

Thank you,

[seeker03]

Hi Stacy,

No, I am not ghosting the thread.. I am just like have no more confusion or questions.. I don't know what to write anymore.. my entire reality has just shattered.. I saw so many videos, read so many blogs. Every time, everything just points to one thing only that there is no self.. only the words, the writing, the pointers are different.. different people explains it in different way.
There is a feeling which flashes every now and then that I am nowhere, but while when busy or in chaotic environment the illusion kicked in - I mean, I get angry, I get the rush, I behave like how normal person does(by that I doesn't mean I am special).. I don't know if that is normal or this will also go.. I am not sure.. and I do want to be sure also.. I am just letting the things flow.

OM SHANTI !

[Anastacia42]

Perfectly normal

Have you seen these? Watch these, please:

https://youtu.be/vJQcD588g2w

and

https://youtu.be/PUDzrCLlrj4

This is just a beginning.

This is like knowing that there is no Santa Claus and then he puts the red suit back on, but you are not fooled. Now you know.

Can you say 100% that there is no separate self?

We have some traditional checkpoint questions. Are you ready to answer those?

Other guides will read your answers & may have questions.

Then we have some support groups and you might choose to look at doing some 10 fetter work to deepen your awakening.

Loving,

[seeker03]

Hi Stacy,

Thank you for continuously checking on to me.. yes I am going through a roller coaster ride.. yes this just the beginning, how inexperienced I am into this journey.. and both the videos link that you share explains perfectly what I am experiencing right now.. Sometimes OFF, sometimes ON

Can you say 100% that there is no separate self?

I have seen a glimpse of it.. Whenever I sit quietly and start noticing I experience vividly there is no self.. but on busy days the old habit kicks back in.. So I can say 100% there is no separate self.. this is in my experience not a distant knowledge anymore but the only thing is - this is not staying with me for longer time.

We have some traditional checkpoint questions. Are you ready to answer those?

Yes I am ready Stacy.

you might choose to look at doing some 10 fetter work to deepen your awakening.

Sure Stacy. I am at your feet, I seek your Wisdom and guidance

I appreciate you have given your time to me showing me the truth, your teachings have illuminated my path. I offer my gratitude at your feet. My limited experience might stop me from seeking any further but you know how this all works, please do not give up on me.

for some reason he's answering in private messages

I am not sure if am answering in private messages. I am just replying by clicking on 'post reply' button.

OM SHANTI !

[Anastacia42]

Good morning.

in just a normal human just like you.

You are welcome .Here are the questions. Other guides will read them & may have questions.


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Loving,

[seeker03]

Good day Stacy,

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No, there was never ever existed a separate entity which called 'me', 'self'. It's just a thought, a concept that we without any examination accepted to be True.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of separate self is just a thought that 'me', 'I' exist. I never know when it started, from the time I remember I have got some senses there always been 'I' and it was very strong.. So much of ego, anger I used have.. Whenever someone criticizes me or make fun, I used to get so much of anger..
I remember my grandfather used to see a TV program where they show a spiritual gathering (called Sat Sang) and a spiritual guru used to speak about 'Aataman', how it is hiding inside us.. and everyone should meditate to see it.. i also used to see it with him in my childhood and used to think, there is something inside me which is very powerful. Seeing this make a person blissful and powerful and next to god. It is this concept which creates a existence of separate me which is TRUE SELF and hiding which I started as to want to see and it makes a two separate personality - one which we think is 'me' and one which is the CALM, the MIGHTY aataman which is hiding. Though the 'ego' the 'I' I think was always there.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

At the start to see this felt losing control, whatever I believed to be True shattered in that moment but this came in the small small episode whenever I start noticing I started seeing this.. it's there, ever present, I just had to see it with focus. Before starting this journey, I used to believe there is a separate entity inside me that I have to see to become blissful, but you showed me the path of Truth rest are all stories and believes.. We never examine them and just accepted because it was written on some book or told by some spiritual person. Now I have seen there is no separate being inside me which needs to come out to make me blissful 😂 but the True is life is as is.. we do not reach anywhere.. we do not attend anything.. each and everything that we believed that is controlled by me is actually happening on it's own.. 🙂

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

in life's chaotic moment this me kicks in, wants to take control, wants to show other that no one can mess with me 😝 sometimes it's when the boss correcting and scolding for my mistake, sometimes when in traffic someone trying overtake me, or sometimes it's family issues.. you get it. But when alone, spending time on shore or just sitting with nothing.. when even the thought stops flowing I notice the selfless me.. I notice in that moment how everything was just false imagination of me trying to control everything..

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Decision, intention, free will, choice and control are just thoughts we just name it differently.. these are getting realized on the thought/mental plan, we can't touch, see, taste, feel, smell them. Our action on the particular thought makes things happen.. we do the things based on our habit, based what we have learned to be good for us living on the society with family, friends.. actually we are not at all responsible for any of this.. these are just thoughts comes and goes on its own. For example, I have a particular morning routine which I developed over years believed to be best for me and i have noticed that my entire life is just a habit.. believe it or not we do the exact same things more or less every day..

OM SHANTI

[Anastacia42]

Om Shanti, Micky.

Good work. It looks like you've got it.

Now your answers will be shared with other guides who may have questions.

Watch this space.

Much love,

[seeker03]

I bow to you Stacy, you showed me the truth.. !

Does this mean our inquiry ends here ? Should I only wait for other guide's questions ?

OM SHANTI !