Great! Well understood... if you keep LOOKING realisation WILL happen.I’m confused here. If there’s no me to be convinced - how can I be convinced. ? There’s only thought content - which I assume can’t be convinced - can only change. ?Well it is good to keep looking until every part of you is convinced by this realisation.
It needs now to be about investigating the thought content, and being clear about that, rather than it appearing that you are being pulled into the story.How else can I describe things and write to you without using I ? even though I know that ‘I’ is a thought construct I still need to write and say ‘I’ in order to be understood surely? Don’t I?
Discerning when a person is actually just writing in order to express, or writing from a place of identifying with an "I" when guiding, can be difficult for us guides. Language is important. Try saying and writing "confusion is arising at this moment', for example, instead of "I am confused". Even by saying this to yourself, you are no longer reifying that there is an "I' that is doing, saying, feeling and thinking. Of course, when you go about your daily life, you will have to use "I"...but see how it feels to write it without using I, me or mine.
See how the following exercise feels when you do it.
You will need pen and paper and about 20 minutes for this exercise. It examines the way in which the mind labels experience.
This exercise is broken into 10 minute lots. For each 10 minute period pay attention to any bodily sensation ie is there any tightening, or any relaxing?
For the first ten minutes write down what you are experiencing right now using the word “I”.
For example: I am sitting on a chair, I am hearing a clock ticking, I am looking at a computer screen, I am feeling hungry. Get right to the point, no past or future fantasy, just a plain description of your experience right here and now.
Then for the next ten minutes continue writing down what you are experiencing but this time without using the word “I”. Just describe the experience as it is happening using verbs. For example: sitting on a chair, typing, breathing, blinking, hearing the clock. (Again, watch what is happening in the body.)
At the end of the twenty minutes compare the two ways in which the experience was labelled and answer the following four questions:
1. Is one truer than the other, and If so, which one?
2. What is here without labels?
3. Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?
4. Did you notice any differences in the body?
if it doesn’t exist in this moment in DE, then it is a thought construct.I do get this (that there’s no I ) because I can actually remember times of DE when I was coming into form - before I had that thought construct. (But maybe the remembering us also thought content?) I do seem to remember when there was no sense of an I though - Just DE. Doing this LU process is reminding me of that time. And when I remember that time I really get it. It’s this just thought content arising though???? Confused?
If thought says that you saw a spectacular ‘sunrise’ yesterday…is that sunrise experience as you presently find it? No…so it is just thought story i.e. ‘imagination’. If however, the colours labelled spectacular ‘sunrise’ is experience as you presently find it (i.e. now), then thought is pointing to actual experience as you presently find it (i.e. your direct, actual experience). In other words the colour that thought is referring to as a 'sunrise' is what is actually appearing now. Thought either points to actual experience as you presently find it...or it is pointing to thoughts about thought, since the ‘sunrise’ is not the current experience, so it only equates to story...thought fluff/imagination – thoughts about thoughts.
This is another thought construct. Can you find a head in DE? : - )This is doing my head in!
FabLooking is simply happening. I can’t find the I that is looking.There is no "I" that is looking. Can you find the "I" that is looking or is looking simply happening?
Exactly – thought content keeps arising – but acknowledge it as such.I’m not sure I understand your question (?)But thought content is sticky and is clearly attached to certain ideas!
Says what exactly?
Thought content keeps arising
Well that investment has been useful for you UNTIL now. “Waterwings” are useful to a child learning to swim, but eventually they’re no longer needed. The information will still be useful in certain circumstances, e.g. in communication with those not interested in awakening. But at the start of this process we said “Put aside all other teachings, philosophies, rituals, practices, books/reading and so on for the remainder of this investigation.” And this is why.... such beliefs are going to hold you back.the thought that is sticky in this case is that ‘there is a need to have an I (even if it’s just as a construct, which it clearly is - I do know this) in order to be in the world’. This thought is attached to an emotion, and this particular emotion has been born out of a large investment (of time and money)Thought is sticky when it is attached to an emotion. And the DE of an emotion is simply sensation + label. The thoughts about the emotion, of what is causing the seeming emotion is content.
Exactly it is just an IDEA.in the idea of ‘I’ being an essential element required for psychological and spiritual development.
It seems that you are waiting for the direct experience of no self. There is no direct experience of no self...it is simply a realisation that you are not as you thought yourself to be. There seems to be something that is going through the motions of living...we aren't denying that...we just don't know what it is. We have previously believed that it is a person that resides in the body that is navigating life as a separate autonomous finite being that suffers. This is what you are at LU to see through...the idea of being a separate autonomous independent self. We have no idea what anything really is, and being in the "I don't know" space is the best place to be. Once you have identified as a something, you have identified yourself, once again, as limited finite something and with that identification comes unease i.e. suffering.
goodEven as I write this I’m aware it’s not true
Have another look at the thoughts..... really LOOK each time a seemingly disturbing thought or sticky thoughts appears and check to see:AND aware the sticky attachment is strong. What to do?!
If you made that particular thought appear?
If you wanted that thought to appear in the first place?
If you chose that thought to appear?
If you have ANYTHING to do with any thoughts?
¬¬ What do you find in DE? Can you find any “attachment”?so the attachment must be thought content too
Let me know how it goes.
Have a lovely day