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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:01 am

Hello Luchana,




Is there anyone or anything which can sometimes sense and sometimes not?
No, there,isn't someone or something sensing sometimes, but not other times.

What can be this?
There can't be anything like this with an on and off switch...who would turn the switch?

And where?
There is no place for this to exist.
So, self, the I thought has some super power? To take credit for example?
No. The self, the thought "I", is just a thought, coming and going, with no power at all. It cannot take credit for "doing" anything, as, it is impossible for any thought to do something. They are imaginary, so, how can they act? It's impossible.

Is this possible? Take a look.
Nope. Still not possible......no matter how long I look, so far , Icannot find a thought to "do" anything.

Who or what is doing the seeing?
I don't know. It's just the alive noticing that is seeing.
Is there a Tannis doing the seeing?
Hmmm. No. There is nothing behind the experiencing.
Is there a "me" seeing?
I can never find one. The Me, I , Tannis is a social convenience, for interacting. When language is involved.
And is there an expectation that thoughts will stop appearing?
Ok, thought expectations. Thoughts will Not stop, but I expect there will be not as strong of a flow. There will be many more spaces between thoughts. Thoughts will not be petty, or negative. when thoughts arrive, they will be quickly recognized as thoughts, and also, quickly let go of. Thoughts will be useful as tools.
I may have missed an expectation or two.

Thank you,

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:13 pm

Hi Tannis,
No. The self, the thought "I", is just a thought, coming and going, with no power at all. It cannot take credit for "doing" anything, as, it is impossible for any thought to do something. They are imaginary, so, how can they act? It's impossible.
you did a good looking.
I don't know. It's just the alive noticing that is seeing.
Ok. There is a wall in front of you, right?
You say that there is an alive noticing of seeing the wall?

Let's go closer to the wall, so close that your head to touch the wall. Literally.
Stay here for a minute and examine:

What is real - the alive noticing seeing the wall or the wall?

Is there someone to notice the seeing and touching the wall?

Or there is just seeing, sensing happening?

What is absolutely true?

Ok, thought expectations. Thoughts will Not stop, but I expect there will be not as strong of a flow. There will be many more spaces between thoughts. Thoughts will not be petty, or negative. when thoughts arrive, they will be quickly recognized as thoughts, and also, quickly let go of. Thoughts will be useful as tools.
I may have missed an expectation or two.
But is there something now to whom thoughts appear? In various ways?

It is like when you've seen that Santa is a fiction and doesn't exist and never was - does this mean that the presents and winter vanished?

Yes, sometimes the winter is not too cold, and sometimes the presents are different, but is Santa responsible?
Was it ever been?

Is there a WHO to direct thoughts and to have preferences at all?

Step to the wall again and look:

There is a wall and there are thoughts about the wall, this is real.

But is there a separate entity thikinking about and seeing the wall?

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:47 am

Hello Luchana,

It seems, there is a quick flip, and a second after I've written to you, or read your email, it's time to write again.

So, here we are. Or, here I am, again.
Ok. There is a wall in front of you, right?
Yes
You say that there is an alive noticing of seeing the wall?
I said that......words are a problem. But, you seem to see in any case I'm missing an important bit. Can I condense it to "seeing the wall". An alive sensing of seeing now seems too decorative.

Let's go closer to the wall, so close that your head to touch the wall. Literally.
Stay here for a minute and examine:
What is real - the alive noticing seeing the wall or the wall?
Just the wall is real.
Is there someone to notice the seeing and touching the wall?
There isn't someone to notice. There is just the touching, and forehead discomfort.


Or there is just seeing, sensing happening?
Just seeing, sensing happening.
What is absolutely true?

There is just this seeing sensing happening. And again. And now. And so no.

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:46 pm

Hi Tannis,
It seems, there is a quick flip, and a second after I've written to you, or read your email, it's time to write again.
yep, I can relate here a lot :-)

Let looking be perveiding and not the fast reply. It is very important to keep focus, but in the same time you don't have to push and force so much. Easy, curiously..Childish.

Take deep breath and try again - you've missed the last part of the my message and questions, so I am puttung them again:

Look for a whole day or two, don't rush.
Ok, thought expectations. Thoughts will Not stop, but I expect there will be not as strong of a flow. There will be many more spaces between thoughts. Thoughts will not be petty, or negative. when thoughts arrive, they will be quickly recognized as thoughts, and also, quickly let go of. Thoughts will be useful as tools.
I may have missed an expectation or two.
But is there something now to whom thoughts appear In various ways?


It is like when you've seen that Santa is a fiction and doesn't exist and never was - does this mean that the presents and winter vanished?

Yes, sometimes the winter is not too cold, and sometimes the presents are different, but is Santa responsible?
Was it ever been?

Is there a WHO to direct thoughts and to have preferences at all?

Step to the wall again and look:

There is a wall and there are thoughts about the wall, this is real.

But is there a separate entity thikinking about and seeing the wall?


Much love,
Luchana
Remember. You're dreaming.

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:49 am

Hello Luchana,
It was a busy day, away from home. I haven't read your email yet, but I'll get back to you tomorrow.

Take care!

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:50 am

Hi Tannis,

thank you for writing.

Use the busy day for looking in many small moments. Even for a seconds.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:24 am

Hello Luchana,

I am stuck on,"but is there something now to whom thoughts appear in different ways?"

Just to let you know.........will look more here, and relax into it more than give you quick answer tonight.


Thank you!!

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:03 am

Hello Luchana,



But is there something now to whom thoughts appear In various ways?
Well, this is the big question. There isn't anything, anyone that I can find, but, the thoughts are appearing, and noticed. The noticing of them is very definite. As is the noticing of the feeling/sensation of the wall.
It is like when you've seen that Santa is a fiction and doesn't exist and never was - does this mean that the presents and winter vanished?
No, other aspects associated with Santa are still existing.
Yes, sometimes the winter is not too cold, and sometimes the presents are different, but is Santa responsible?
Was it ever been?
Santa isn't real, so, an imaginary being cannot be responsible for anything, as they cannot act.....as they don't exist.
Is there a WHO to direct thoughts and to have preferences at all?
I cannot find the who. Thoughts cannot be directed. ..
Step to the wall again and look:

There is a wall and there are thoughts about the wall, this is real.
.
But is there a separate entity thikinking about and seeing the wall?
There is no entity thinking about, seeing the wall.

Thank you,

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:02 pm

Hi Tannis,


Well, this is the big question. There isn't anything, anyone that I can find,

Is it possible that there is something and you just can't find it?


Look more.

Please be very thorough, examine each detail with full attention.

Now close your eyes for a while and think about the magic golden ring, that is in your pocket.
It is a lovely golden ring, a big one. And it is right here in your pocket.

Open your eyes and put your hand in the pocket. I mean you have to LITERALLY put your hand in the pocket.

Is there a ring?

Is there something you can touch, see, or taste? Or the ring appears only as an imagination/thought?

Even that you think about it and maybe have a feeling that there is a ring - is there a REAL ring in your pocket?

Where did the ring goes?

Has the ring ever exicted?


There is a thought "I have e ring in my pocket" - that's for sure.

But what about the content of this thought? Is it true?

Is there a ring in reality?


There is a thought about me, about Tannis, about a decider, chooser, doer.

But is this (thought) true in reality?


Look for the simple facts, nothing more, nothing less.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:39 am

Hello Luchana,

Hi Tannis,



Is it possible that there is something and you just can't find it?
Haha! That made me laugh out loud..........
No. What would I possibly find?there isn't something. It's not that it's hidden......I can't find anything, because, there isn't anything. Anyone.



Look more.

Please be very thorough, examine each detail with full attention.

Now close your eyes for a while and think about the magic golden ring, that is in your pocket.
It is a lovely golden ring, a big one. And it is right here in your pocket.

Open your eyes and put your hand in the pocket. I mean you have to LITERALLY put your hand in the pocket.

Is there a ring?
Of course, there is no ring.
Is there something you can touch, see, or taste?
There is nothing at all. Nothing which can be sensed, because, the ring was/is imaginary. It doesn't exist, except as a thought.
Or the ring appears only as an imagination/thought?
It is only imagined thought.
Even that you think about it and maybe have a feeling that there is a ring - is there a REAL ring in your pocket?
No matter how much I think about the ring, or how clearly I imagine the details of the ring......there will ever be a eat ring in my pocket.it will be a lot of thoughts and imaginings about .....nothing.
Where did the ring goes?
It didn't go anywhere. It didn't disappear, it didn't get lost. It never existed, so, nothing can happen to it.
Has the ring ever exicted?
It has never been. It has never existed. It could never be worn, or touched, or lost, or seen, felt...never. It's not here.

There is a thought "I have e ring in my pocket" - that's for sure.

But what about the content of this thought? Is it true?
No, that thought was never true. The content of the thought, was not real. It was imagined information.

Is there a ring in reality?
No ring....ever.

There is a thought about me, about Tannis, about a decider, chooser, doer.

But is this (thought) true in reality?
There are thoughts about a chooser, doer, but nothing true in reality......just thoughts. Empty pockets.

Thank you!

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:35 am

Hello Luchana,

I am just writing, to do my evening writing.

I didn't see a message from you, which is just fine, but, I hope everything is ok.......

I have - lots of thoughts to look at, in any case.

Take care,

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:46 am

Hi Tannis,
I am just writing, to do my evening writing.

I didn't see a message from you, which is just fine, but, I hope everything is ok.......
Sorry I coudn't message you - yes, everything is ok, just a busy day here.
I have - lots of thoughts to look at, in any case.
Are you the owner of thoughts?

Or thoughts are just free floating without belonging to anything or anyone?



Haha! That made me laugh out loud..........
No. What would I possibly find?there isn't something. It's not that it's hidden......I can't find anything, because, there isn't anything. Anyone.
And I am also smiling :-)

It brings relief this laughter isn't it?
No matter how much I think about the ring, or how clearly I imagine the details of the ring......there will ever be a eat ring in my pocket.it will be a lot of thoughts and imaginings about .....nothing.
you did a very good looking
It didn't go anywhere. It didn't disappear, it didn't get lost. It never existed, so, nothing can happen to it.
yes, it was never exicted in reality, nothing as a zero.
There are thoughts about a chooser, doer, but nothing true in reality......just thoughts. Empty pockets.
Nice. And what about sensations?

Can you describe what happens with these thoughts and sensations when you don't look, but rather living your everyday life?

Whether if it still FEELS that "I am thinking", "I am choosing", "I am deciding" or "I am feeling"?


Much love,
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:38 am

Hello Luchana,

Sorry there was a blackout last night.
Are you the owner of thoughts?
No....I don't create them,control them, and, couldn't keep them if I tried.
Or thoughts are just free floating without belonging to anything or anyone?
They are floating up, and then away......they don't belong in any way.
It brings relief this laughter isn't it?
Yes, it's a big relief!
Nice. And what about sensations?

Can you describe what happens with these thoughts and sensations when you don't look, but rather living your everyday life?
Thoughts and sensations are lasting for a shorter time, and are noticed more quickly. Like" oh there's irritation, happiness,whatever it may be " , as though it's something interesting to just, have happening, to notice happening.
I have to look, to have more space still. After thoughts, I have the question "is Tannis thinking this?" Or where is Tannis?, or that's an idea about "Tannis".
Then, I find the response is, just nothing.
Whether if it still FEELS that "I am thinking", "I am choosing", "I am deciding" or "I am feeling"?
Yes, there is still this feeling. When I notice there is a decision, I try not to make it, and just see what happens. It is confusing, as this too is a type of "decision".
There is a difference, as I used to "believe" my thoughts. Now, more often the response is to say, "that's a lie, or story, or, story about Tannis........." it's so interesting, as , just these statements, (which are also thoughts), are enough to bring quiet. Nothing, for a short time at least. I expect more of an arguement. There is just, nothing.

I am confused though. When I "notice" thoughts, emotions more often, it does bring a feeling of just Awareness, and I wonder if the ego is moved to "witnessing".

I just had the thought that .....I'm thinking too much again. I'll stop here.

Thank you!

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:54 pm

Hi Taniis,
Thoughts and sensations are lasting for a shorter time, and are noticed more quickly. Like" oh there's irritation, happiness,whatever it may be " , as though it's something interesting to just, have happening, to notice happening.
I have to look, to have more space still. After thoughts, I have the question "is Tannis thinking this?" Or where is Tannis?, or that's an idea about "Tannis".
Then, I find the response is, just nothing.
Ok. Notice the thought in this very moment.
What is the experience?
I think?
Or there is an experience of a thought?

Now, while sitting, touch the chair or table with your hand.
And notice what is the experience?
I sense this?
Or there is a sensation of touching?
Try with other texture. For example clothes, glass etc.

Listen to a sound, just pay attention to any sound.
What is the experience?
I hear the sound?
Or there is an experience of a sound?

And now notice everything
What feels more true?
I experience the reality or there is an experience of reality?

Play with this a whole day, many, many times as often as you can.
No thinkong, no memory, no past insights. Only raw experience.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:24 am

Hello Luchana,

I will do the exercises, and give my findings to you tomorrow, as I got to your email late today.

Thank you for all your time! And suggestions! I REALLY appreciate it!

Tannis


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