Yes thats how it seems to be. When looking at the chair the table the cup it seems to be over there separate to me.Before seeing through separation, almost all of us believes that separation means that I am inside the body, probably in the head, this is what we call here, and there is a world out there. Thus there is a border or a dividing line between me and not-me. And this line is the skin, where the body ends. Everything inside the skin is me, everything outside the skin is not me.
So, in essence, I am the body, and everything else that is not the body, is not me.
Look, if this is how it seems to be.
No one can be found in the body. There's no controller / I in the hands feet legs torso and none that can be found in the head.But, is there someone or something INSIDE the body?
No just sensations , thoughts appear to come up in the head, and emotions appear to start there.Can you find anything else inside the head than sensations?
Yes. I can't find any self in the body.Isn’t the body empty of a self / me?
Yes the body shows up as lots of sensations.Isn’t the body, including the head, shows up AS an experience? As an experience of sensations?
ok sitting here looking at the laptop the laptop can be seen as part of experience. Its colour, the letters, words on the screen, the keyboard. And the body is being experienced through sensations in the back, legs head etc.So the body is experienced, just as the body is experienced.
Or more precisely both the body and the laptop IS experience. Can you see this?
And where the hands touch the laptop there are different sensations.
So both are experience.
I can see that.
But thoughts persist that the body is where I am.
I think part of the reason is vision. The front of the laptop can be seen but not my face. So thoughts say looking is happening from here because this body's face cant be seen.
Struggling with this - yes the body and laptop are both experienced. Sensations from the laptop aren't experienced unless my hand touches it but sensations from the body are experienced all the time.Normally we believe that the body is the subject of experience, the body is the experiencer, and it experiences the world out there. So the body, or more precisely the head, becomes a reference point in space, where the outside world (not me) is experienced FROM. So the seeming distance between here and over there is coming from the position of the body in space compare to other objects.
But how could there be distance if the body is just as much an experience than the world?
Just realized I may be falling into thinking there is an experiencer again. The laptop experience differs from the body experience. It is visual unless touched by this body. The body experience is sensations and visual.
I seem to be having some trouble seeing this. The cup the table the laptop appear as experience - got that. As does the body as sensations. Other bodies appear visually unless touched by this body - in experience.How could there be a distance or separation if the body is just one object among many?
This body has to get up and walk to get to certain other objects. So in that sense there is seperation?
Isn’t this just a thought based artificial division of experience / life / existence, slicing it into two distinct part, into a body here (me) and the world there (not me)?
Right now fingers are typing on the keyboard. There is no-one here controlling them. There is an internal voice. It is sayign what it wants to and triggering more thoughts and emotions and sensations. There are thoughts about effort and sensations labelled as effort. The internal vice can be heard here it seems not anywhere else.
So at least here is different from elsewhere (in other bodies)?
Yes but can't see no seperation at the moment.But isn’t BOTH the body and the world is just an experience?
ok this is what I am doing then.We are confusing the physical distance between the body and an object (which both are known, both are experience itself, and creating a false impression of separation between me and not-me.
But they are BOTH experience itself.
The body is NOT the experiencer the world.
The body is NOT a me / self.
They are equally ‘parts’ of experience / life / existence.
So ther is physical distance. As you say that is experienced but no separation between me and not me because there is no separate I here?Can you see this
There is also a separate view point that I assume is part of experience for others but don't experience here?
Thanks again Vivien!