Josh

[Jcharap]

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
I recognize that I am “awareness,” not “me” and not my body. But I need to see what “I” am beyond the intellectual understanding that I am awareness. And, perhaps, to integrate that awareness into a new perspective.

What are you looking for at LU?
Help guiding me to awakening, thereby freeing myself from the narrative mind. Connecting to awareness and what lies beyond. A deep and foundational connection to “beingness.” Achieving fundamental wellbeing.

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
Guide “me” beyond an intellectual understanding that “I am awareness” to a deeper connection with that awareness and what that means as a perspective. Connecting “me” to something beyond “me” and the richer tapestry of what is.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
Breath meditation, group awareness meditations, noting meditations. Self-inquiry: “who am I”/“what am I.” All in pursuit of fundamental wellbeing.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
10

[warissem]

Hi Josh

I am glad to accompany you to see through the illusion of a separate self.

You have to respect the rules of the forum :

Read and approve the disclaimer text
Be 100 % honest with yourself when you answer to questions : you do this after looking at direct experience
Show up with your replies once a day, if you can't do so, just let me know
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If you are ready to begin, let me know.

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

Thank you so much for your guidance.

I’m ready to begin.

In gratitude.

Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

Fine. What do you expect to happen after seeing through the illusion of a separate self ?
What will be the changes for you ?
What do you expect to change in your life?

Best wishes

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

What do you expect to happen after seeing through the illusion of a separate self ?

There will be a more peaceful sense of being.

What will be the changes for you ?

The narrative voice will die down, replaced by more connectedness with what is going on.

What do you expect to change in your life?

Greater happiness and ability to cope—a sense of less imminence to daily events.

Thank you for your help.

Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

The narrative voice will die down, replaced by more connectedness with what is going on.

It is too much expecting from this dialog. Yes, you will know for sure that the narrative voice is not you but it won't cease just after seeing the illusion of a separate self. Anyway, there will be "more connectedness with what is going on" as you said.

Greater happiness and ability to cope—a sense of less imminence to daily events.

Greater happiness, for whom?
Ability to cope to daily events, of whom ?

Best wishes

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warrisem,

Greater happiness and ability to cope—a sense of less imminence to daily events.
Greater happiness, for whom?
Ability to cope to daily events, of whom ?

I just had an insight during a partnered Direct Inquiry meditation: I understand (perhaps more intellectually than emotionally) that there is no separate “me.” But I have to sink into that realization and let it permeate my life and my attitudes.

Best,

Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

I just had an insight during a partnered Direct Inquiry meditation: I understand (perhaps more intellectually than emotionally) that there is no separate “me.” But I have to sink into that realization and let it permeate my life and my attitudes.

I have already ready what you said in the introductory post.

Question :
What comes up when I say : there is no you in any shape or form, it has never been, it will never be.

Look at direct experience (seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching) before giving an answer. Let me know what are the sensations in your body when you let sink what is written above

Best wishes

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

I have already ready what you said in the introductory post.

This was a “new” insight from an hour ago. But your point is well taken.

Question :
What comes up when I say : there is no you in any shape or form, it has never been, it will never be.

Look at direct experience (seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching) before giving an answer. Let me know what are the sensations in your body when you let sink what is written above

Best wishes

Warissem
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[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

I have already ready what you said in the introductory post.

This was a “new” insight from meditation on Thursday. But your point is well taken.

Question :
What comes up when I say : there is no you in any shape or form, it has never been, it will never be.

Look at direct experience (seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching) before giving an answer.

Let me know what are the sensations in your body when you let sink what is written above

Initially my pulse was racing and I was very anxious. But as I sank in, it was a relief—and that relieve expanded outward from my chest. Intellectually, however, I could recall all the things I’ve seen, heard, tasted....

In gratitude,

Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

The word "I" is used in your answers, what is "I" in direct experience? Look. Describe it in detail.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

The word "I" is used in your answers, what is "I" in direct experience? Look. Describe it in detail.

In direct experience, there is no “i.” There is simply a boundless ocean of beingness. After more probing, there is still nothing more than the ocean—or a bright light of beingness.

Best,

Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?

Can you explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?

Can you explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.

The separate self is a feeling of “me-ness” when acting, thinking, or planing, eg: “‘I’ am eating, ‘I’ want to eat. ‘I’ need to make food.” The illusion can be shed by stepping back and realizing that there is no “I,” but this is not the default setting.

The narrative voice also seems to come from “self” and it can be persistent and loud.

And there seems to an active “me” that is thinking what to write right now.

Best,

Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

The separate self is a feeling of “me-ness” when acting, thinking, or planing, eg: “‘I’ am eating, ‘I’ want to eat. ‘I’ need to make food.” The illusion can be shed by stepping back and realizing that there is no “I,” but this is not the default setting.

The narrative voice also seems to come from “self” and it can be persistent and loud.

And there seems to an active “me” that is thinking what to write right now.

In this dialog, you have accepted to give answers through direct experience (seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching). Your answers are coming from the mind : feeling of "me ness", can be shed, seems to come, seems an active me,...

Go again to my last post and ask to questions after having looked at direct experience. You cannot figure out the truth through the mind.


Best wishes

Warissem