So what? Can you find an „I“ in feelings, emotions and identification with Gwen?
Or is there just the appearance of feelings, emotions and identification with Gwen?
Is there someone in control of the appearances?
No, they just appear
Does someone control the wheather?
There is sun and rain, and rain and sun and snow, and wind and storm and calm.. If the sun would always shine, there would be only desert everywhere :)
Maybe I'll ask that a few more times ;)
It seems that is the expectation that the seeing of no inherent „I“ means, that there will allways be peace and never stress and identification.. That's not the case. Seeing that there is no entitiy which runs the show means simply that and has nothing to do with any state.. Nothing has to change..
You can compare it with a mirage: When you see a mirage and you want to go there for water, then you realize, that it's only an illusion. But the seeing of it remains. Maybe you forget and go again for water to it (in our case is this the repeatedly looking for an „I“, for separation in all circumstandes), but as soon as you have often enough looked, you will never go again. Neverteless the seeing of the mirage is there, but the knowing that it is an illusion is constant....
Thank you for the explanation.
What is „this“?
I don’t know what ‘it’ is. It’s this silent presence
What is „this“ for you?
This always present silence?
What is „this“ in direct experience?
It’s always here. Silent, non judgemental, unconditional, timeless, at peace, perfectly ok, not at war with anything, all accepting here-ness
Have you ever experience the „this“ you are speaking from?
It’s not an experience, NO
If it was an experience it would have a beginning and an end and it would change
This is unchangeable
Or is it an inception from several books and teachers?
And please look very, very deep and exactly for the one who wants to rest in „this“?
It’s just a thought appearing in this.
Where is it?
It’s a thought and together with the thought a feeling of longing. (which is again a thought and bodily sensations)
Can you find something which wants to rest in „this“?
No! And thank you for your patience. I realise that this I that wants to rest is nothing more than arrogance ☹
Like mentioned above: Looks like expectation! Peace, relaxation, clearness presence..... this are all states, have nothing to do with seeing that there is no „I“...
What is the opposite from „just experiencing“? Is it possible to not experience?
Maybe this seeing is „this“?
Yes exactly! This unconditional, timeless, at peace, perfectly ok, not at war with anything, all accepting seeing.(experiencing)
Please observe as often as you can what you are doing and break everything down to direct experience and call it seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, sensing, thinking.
That could look like this:
To see a cup = color / shape = SEEING
Smell the coffee = SMELLING
Feel the warmth of the cup = SENSING
The clinking of the spoon in the cup while stirring = HEARING
Imagine taking a sip right now = THINKING
You can also use this in routine activities, if not your full concentration is required.
There are two types of thoughts:
1- The thought points to something that is perceptible via the senses at this moment - the thought “is labeling”.
2- The thought points to another thought, that is thought-content and the story being told.
Tell me how that went, what you noticed and give some examples.
The seeing and hearing are easy.
They’ve become a habit.
The thinking is easier when I slow down or in meditation.
During observation the thoughts come in not only to label the experiencing but also to define with good, bad, wrong, right, …..
The sensing is the most difficult one.
Not feelings and emotions but the sensing of two arms hugging this body, a kiss, the cold through my jacket, the warmth of the shower, making love,….
Also seeing my face in the mirror every moring while brushing my teeth is confusing