Hi Kay 😊
That was brilliant and hilarious – thanks Kay :D
Beneath what surface exactly, and where? Where is this surface, and what is this surface exactly for them to be the beneath of?
Well, there was the erroneous “thought” previously from psychology programming, that there are subconscious and unconscious mind ‘below’ awareness. It is realised now from actually looking, that all is thought and there is no ‘surface’ or thoughts that are beneath it. A lot of programming to unpack here, Kay.
It is only thought that says that there is a monster hiding under your bed…but when you look can you actually find one? The same goes for thought. It is only thought that says thought is waiting somewhere to show itself! Can you be aware of a tree when there isn’t one to be aware of! Can you be aware of a sound, or a taste or a smell or a sensation if they haven’t appeared? Thought is no different. If you look carefully, it is only an appearing thought that says that there are thoughts underneath the surface that you aren’t aware of waiting to come to light! And it is only another thought that suggests that there are “layers of thought”.
This is huge. Things that have been so firmly believed to be true from education are really not. Any “belief” can be dropped, as it is only a thought perpetuated in the moment. There is confusion here though, about the existence of past trauma's that can be 'remembered' or re-experienced. How is this possible if there is no surface and only thought?
I want you to choose an object in the room you are in, be it the TV remote or an ornament. Now can you describe the back of the remote? Are you actually aware of the back of the remote? Thought will appear saying ‘yes, I know from memory what the back of the remote looks like’, however are you actually aware, in this moment of the back of the remote or are you only aware of the thoughts about the back of the remote?
I chose a picture frame. The only thing I am aware of is the mental image along with the thought “back of the picture frame,” as there is no direct experience of the back of the picture frame right now.
I will attempt to answer your previous questions about thought I was unable to answer before, now.
Sit quietly for about 30 minutes and notice the arising thoughts. Just let them appear as they appear. Try your best to COMPLETELY ignore what they are saying and just notice how they appear, without you doing anything at all.
Where are they coming from and going to?
Thought comes out of nowhere; thought goes to nowhere. They appear and disappear.
Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?
There is no control over which thoughts appear. Further examination of apparently ‘chosen’ thoughts leads to awareness of previous thoughts that led to the ‘chosen’ thought.
Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?
“I” could not have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment.
Can you predict your next thought?
No, because thought comes up to ‘predict’ the next thought and that is the next thought.
Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
No, because thoughts come out of nowhere – there is no ‘selecting from a range of thoughts.’ Thought can arise about a range of thoughts to choose from but that is thought selecting ‘pleasant’ from itself.
Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?
No, because it is thought that is thinking about ‘choosing’ not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts.
Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
No, because thought is thinking about ‘picking and choosing’ any kind of thought – not ‘me.’
Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing?
No, because “I” do not choose which thoughts appear. The thought arises in the moment and what arises in the moment cannot be prevented. Thought thinks about ‘preventing’ a thought.
Can you stop thinking a thought in the middle?
No, because thought ‘thinks’ about stopping a thought in the middle as in, “I will stop a thought in the middle,” then thought ‘thinks’ a thought and stops in the middle. “I” do not have control over this.
It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice if there is an organised sequence. Or is it just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that "one thought follows another thought"?
This one is a little more difficult to see what you are pointing at here Kay. In AE, some thoughts are grouped in a sequence, such as thought having a conversation with itself about a past event, or repeating a past conversation to itself, or making comments about an event that is happening now. Thought also jumps randomly from one topic to another with no apparent sequence or logic, though thought will tell itself this is “reality.”
Can a thought come from a mental image?
A thought cannot come from a mental image. Thought creates the mental image.
What do you mean when you say “thought creates the mental image”?
Actually, I don’t know if thought creates a mental image – mental images arise very quickly, often at the same time as the thought about them, so I cannot say if one creates the other.
Now the realisation is dawning that "I" am not thought as it was always believed. So who is it that is witnessing or observing thought, or aware of all this? This is what I cannot figure out.