Hi, anyone newcomer looking for some help?

[neeeel]

Yes, what is it that wants to say my body? Is there something there that is the owner of the body?

Remember, you can always look again and see if you are thinking your thoughts. So when thoughts come up saying "my body" you can always look and see if there is a you thinking those thoughts?

[pamelaholt]

Neil,


Soooooooooo there is no one thinking the thoughts ..........thinking just happens like seeing , hearing, smelling etc.

So `my` body is just a thought... `my` mind is just a thought

Neil, wrote
1) Is there a self, in any way shape or form

There is no self in any way shape or form !!!
Self is a thought and no one is doing the thnking...

Hmmm Can it be that easy? Well that last statement is just a thought!

Pamela

[neeeel]

but do you SEE that thinking just happens? Maybe Im wrong, you need to check it out for yourself.

What is it that wants to say "My" body?

If self is a thought, how does it have so much influence on our behaviour?

[pamelaholt]

Neil,

Thinking does just happen.

The second question is more diificult to answer.The best I can do is say is that it is just learnt behaviour... just a convention ... so that the body /mind here can be refered to as opposed to the bodymind over there.
The last question ...

Thought is believed .. again thats the best I can do... When thoughts arnt beleived then there appears to be no power behind them.

Thanks as ever,

Pamela

[pamelaholt]

Neil

Thoughts can change but there is no one changing them. The current thoughts just appear spontaneously.

Pamela

[neeeel]

Pamela, I have asked a few other people to have a look over our chat, to see if you are seeing clearly all that we have talked about. There are facebook groups for aftercare, where you can find out more, and also find out about removing or weakening the conditioning we talked about, so I will let you know how to join those if you are interested.

[pamelaholt]

yes please that would be great

[neeeel]

Hi Pamela, one final question

What was it that gave you the final push to see this clearly? You seemed to see it at one point, and then wavered a bit, what was it that finally made it clear to you?

thanks
neil

[pamelaholt]

Neil,

Sorry about the delay, illness in the house. It was a realisation that the only thing that could be found was a self image made of thoughts, sensations, feelings... all of which are transient.... An entity called self as a limited , finite thing can not be found... There was also confusion when certan conditioning reared up, but when that was seen as old patterns , that too seemed less troublesome. However some conditioning does need to still be worked out...
In a sense the journey goes on...
Regards
Pamela

[neeeel]

no worries about the delay.
If you are interested in taking it further, here is the facebook group,
http://www.facebook.com/groups/200033776715393/
request to join, and then read all the different posts, will give you an idea what goes on there.
Hope to see you there
neil