I have a pain in my face with Spirituality, I’m going home.

[Elad]

Hi Dennis!

How are things flowing?

What comes up today when you look at the question: Is there a separate self/agent/experiencer/doer?

[Truthfull]

Can you give me some practical tasks to see I have to control.

Thanks
Denis

[Elad]

What are you experiencing as being in your control? Describe the experience(s) of it as vividly as possible.

Afterwards, look if it true you that you control that? Do you control anything at all?

[Elad]

Hi Dennis,

It's been a long time. How is the process, how is life?

[Truthfull]

Hi Elad. Just attending Vince’s meetings and working on reactivity right now. Nothing significant to report, It feels like anyway. I’ll keep doing this for now to see what changes.

Thanks
Denis

[Elad]

Okay! Do you still want to be guided here also?

If yes, I suggest we return to daily writings (as the norm, of course there can be exceptions) and that you commit to answer ALL questions I ask. Do you want that?

Also if you think there is a better way to go that includes our cooperation let me know.

[Elad]

One more thing: How is it with the belief that you are/have a self? Tell me all there is to say about that.

[Truthfull]

Yes, I would like to return to this guiding. But can we do it on what’s app. This forum is slow and cumbersome.

Denis

[Elad]

Hi Dennis,

I like keeping the guidings here, that pertain to this matter of seeing through belief in self. I find it helpful and clear to have it all here. In rare cases where people are technically impaired, I have done a short in person meeting with them, to help them learn to use the forum. It is mainly a matter of learning to use the quote function (if you have not yet watched the video about it, this will be helpful:https://youtu.be/QCbZYSvnTpc?si=QbLMQ2gHS5eKPdP7 ).

So please let me know if you are up for that, and if there are big difficulties let me know.

If you are up for continuing here, please answer directly the questions from my last two messages (about commitment to regularity and how it is with the belief in self at this point).

Thank you.

[Truthfull]

Let’s keep going so.

Thanks
Denis

[Elad]

Let’s keep going so.

Okay! You did not answer directly the questions from the previous two messages before last one, as I asked in last message. For now let me repeat the important one here:


How is it with the belief that you are/have a self? Tell me all there is to say about that.


From now to make it easier to see the questions I will write them in blue.


1) From hereon answer EVERY question I ask in blue, even if it seems trivial or unnecessary or repetitive to you.

2) If it seems decidedly wrong to answer a particular qustion, still relate to it and respond to it by telling me WHY you don't want to answer it.

3) If you haven't yet, learn to use the quote function. From now quote my questions and answer underneath each one.


OKAY to 1-3? Moving forward are you willing to commit to such dedication, respect and precision for the questions?

[Truthfull]

How is it with the belief that you are/have a self? Tell me all there is to say about that.

Hi Elad, I can’t make sense of the question. The first 5 words not make sense to me. “How is it with the belief”. Can you re phrase.

Thanks
Denis

[Elad]

How is it with the belief that you are/have a self? Tell me all there is to say about that.

Hi Elad, I can’t make sense of the question. The first 5 words not make sense to me. “How is it with the belief”. Can you re phrase.

Thanks
Denis

1) Rephrase: Do you believe you are/have a self? Where are you at in terms of seeing through the belief in self?

You again again did not answer all my questions.

2) How come?

I like guiding people here who are grateful that another person use time and attention helping them as best they can, for free. People who show this gratefulness by doing an effort to answer all questions and show their respect and effort in this.

Weather you have connected to such a spirit here so far or not, are you up for doing it from here?

Hope you can connect to this and we can work productively from here.

[Elad]

And if not, not all guides are good for all people, and I might not be for you, in which case we absolutely can look for another guide for you.

I say that and will add my intuition is that if you decide to take these instructions, pointings and way as something to practice with wholeheartedly, we have a potential to cooperate very powerfully.

[Truthfull]

Hi Elad,
Question
OKAY to 1-3? Moving forward are you willing to commit to such dedication, respect and precision for the questions?

Answer
Yes, I will commit to points 1,2,3.

Question
Weather you have connected to such a spirit here so far or not, are you up for doing it from here?

Answer
Yes, I am up for it.

Question
1) Rephrase: Do you believe you are/have a self? Where are you at in terms of seeing through the belief in self?

Answer
Yes, I believe I have a self. I am answering the question not you. I have bills to pay, I have work to go to. I have children to rase. I am. Now when I look for the I, I can't find a solid thing out their. But the belief has not dropped. I notice that thoughts make up a big part of the I sense. I also comes out strong when I'm triggered. This is why I am working on fetter 4/5 Reactivity. Feeling the squirmy feelings and staying in the gap. I think this is helping but its early days. Your earlier messages triggered me and the belief is: Its unfair to be held to account. I'm now just sitting with the feelings and the statement with outgoing into future.

Best
Denis