Becoming No One

[NoPerson]

Did half of IAM Dissolving, which is ~60 min.

So this is where butt-chair comes from :)

Here are some things, I noticed by doing the preparatory exercises.

When I looked at my hand, the feeling of the location of the edges of my thumb didn't quite exactly match the image seen with the eyes. Almost, very close, but not 100%.

Then looking at my fingers and the space between, imagining I didn't have a word for finger or space. Couldn't do it. Seems impossible. Same with seeing the hand on my leg. The image is so strong that I could imagine what it would be like if I didn't know about the concepts of hands, legs, separation, etc.

When touching things, while imagining I didn't have words for them, it felt very interesting. Like really interesting. The instructor used the word "precious" and that somehow fits, also fascinating.

Next, experiencing body sensation as a quality + thought of location. I understand the concept, but it seemed I was unable to experience this. I get that the sensation seen through the filter of the mind seems to be located in our body. It seemed impossible to feel the raw sensation without the filter, and without the thought of location. However, I just tried to relax.

It's getting late, and I want to go to bed, so I am going to continue with this meditation some other time.

[NoPerson]

The image is so strong that I could imagine what it would be like if I didn't know about the concepts of hands, legs, separation, etc.

There was a typo, it was supposed to say:

The image is so strong that I could NOT imagine what it would be like if I didn't know about the concepts of hands, legs, separation, etc.

[Anastacia42]

Okay. . .

The image is so strong that I could NOT imagine what it would be like if I didn't know about the concepts of hands, legs, separation, etc.

This is called being "language bound." We need to correct that.

Here is a pointer that will help:

Labels are not the things they refer to. They are merely the content of thought that we made up.

Label-Reality Correlation

There is a belief that labels have a one-to-one correspondence with something called "reality." But there isn’t. Just like it is a generally accepted belief that labels like "good" and "bad" are inherent characteristics of "things." But actually, they are not.

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’, what is the actual experience?

Is the red color "experienced" or is color green "experienced" as the label suggests?

Do the labels have a one-to-one correspondence with "reality?"

Or do the labels suggest something else other than what is here now (red color)?

Is green-ness an inherent attribute of the "experience" of the red color; or is green just a word label on the experience of the red color?

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’, is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

Does redness become "good" or "bad," or do the labels have no effect whatsoever on ‘reality’?



Loving,

[NoPerson]

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’, what is the actual experience?

Seeing shapes and colors, color is red.

Is the red color "experienced" or is color green "experienced" as the label suggests?

The red color is experienced.

Do the labels have a one-to-one correspondence with "reality?"

No. The label green only gets a meaning by interpretation of the mind. And this is content of thought and not direct experience, and not reality.

Or do the labels suggest something else other than what is here now (red color)?

Yes, the label suggests something else, but that is not true.

Is green-ness an inherent attribute of the "experience" of the red color; or is green just a word label on the experience of the red color?

Green-ness is not an inherent attribute of the experience. It's just a word label.

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’, is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

No, the actual experience of redness is not affected in any way. Maybe the amount of red and the shape of red, but that's all.

Does redness become "good" or "bad," or do the labels have no effect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

Labels have no effect whatsoever.

[Anastacia42]

Great. I forgot that c we'd done that one. But it does show that label, words are not the things themselves in a way that might help you with seeing your hand on the desk.

also started reading "Gateless Gatecrashers". It was a warm and sunny afternoon, I was sitting in the garden, kids playing outside. While pausing reading I did inquiry again and it struck me. The "I" vanished. It was shocking, terrifying, overwhelming. In an instant, the weight of 40+ years of my life was gone, completely. I can't describe the sense of relief I felt. I cried like a baby.

This will come & go.

Maybe keep working with Dissolving & ButtChair.

Keep me posted.

Loving

[NoPerson]

This will come & go.

I am really not sure anymore what happened there. It's in the past anyway, nothing but content of thought. Anyway, I don't feel scared of seeing the truth anymore.

This is called being "language bound." We need to correct that.

It seems difficult for me, and that's nothing but a belief.

Isn't SEEING our true nature something that is simple, effortless, obvious, in plain sight, because it's always here anyway and never changing? What is holding me back to acknowledge this?

I guess, I am trying to solve this with the mind, which is impossible. I'll stop.

Going to keep following your guiding and keep you posted.

[Anastacia42]

Isn't SEEING our true nature something that is simple, effortless, obvious, in plain sight, because it's always here anyway and never changing?

Yes

What is holding me back to acknowledge this?

Thinking. Specifically, habits of thinking things that are not true.

Watch this:
https://youtu.be/wyNwhK2Ur1c?si=TZwuFEst-7Hsadpu

And please read this:

https://www.liberationunleashed.com/res ... ar-seeker/

Maybe those will help.

Loving,

[NoPerson]

Did the rest of IAM Dissolving.

I noticed that there is a sensation of my whole right arm e.g. Feeling is hard to describe, tingling, warmth, maybe. I also noticed that the location of those sensations is an idea in the mind. That the location of the sensation didn't match the edges of my arm 100% made it more fuzzy. Somehow, the sensation's size was bigger than my arm could possibly be.

The noticing of the history was subtle. Some sensations, that do not last (or let's say repeat) go by unnoticed, and then they are still found in history or memory. Knowing this makes the body sensations more fuzzy, too. Similar with the illusion of continuity.

Watch this:
https://youtu.be/wyNwhK2Ur1c?si=TZwuFEst-7Hsadpu

Had seen this before and watched it again. I think there is no need for me to comment the video. There is nothing I can do anyway.

And please read this:

https://www.liberationunleashed.com/res ... ar-seeker/

I get that this is not a dialog. I am looking. As good as I can. At the same time, not trying.

[Anastacia42]

You're doing great.

Just keep practicing & looking.

Again, it can sneak up on you when you're relaxed.

Loving,

[NoPerson]

Butt-chair

Hearing sounds. Kids are throwing things around in the house. I feel the impulse to get up and make them stop. Feeling anger. But it's just sounds/hearing. Everything else is the mind interpreting, creating a story. This leads to sensations in the body + label anger. I accepted it. Did not get attached to it.

Feeling the sensation of pressure with location of butt. The vague image of my body appears. It's constantly there. A very sticky image. However, it's a thought. I get that it's an illusion, but I can't see through it yet.

[Anastacia42]

That is okay. Pay particular attention to the questions asked in the exercise.

We want you to notice there is no dividing line, no separation. That can lead to seeing there is no separate self.

Loving,

[NoPerson]

Had no time today to do anything except 10 min sitting. Nothing to report.

[Anastacia42]

okay

[NoPerson]

I listened to the whole 60+ min of IAM Dissolving again and paid very close attention to everything.

This time while looking at my hand I had moments, very brief and subtle, where there was the sense of things/separation getting more fuzzy. What I did or better didn't (try to) do is thinking about it. Instead, just let go and relaxed. Resting in that relaxation.

The latter I also did throughout the day. These moments (just a few throughout the day, and usually very brief) are the most peaceful and closest to acknowledging what is real.

[NoPerson]

Have watched some more of Lisa Kahale's videos recently. I really enjoy them. Hope that's cool?