In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby Noknot » Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:25 pm

Can you let the contraction happen without any resistance at all? Love even the contraction itself?
What happens when you do?
There are sensations: pressure on my hands, hunger, breath going in and out, back against cushion, but the contraction is empty, it is a tension that is emptiness...there is some lightness now, it doesn't take a lot, nothing conceptual, to get there.

To love even the contraction is to notice these sensations and feel empty, but not hollow, positively empty. There is nothing there to love in the sense everything is nothing to be loved.

What is happening? This is happening. Contraction as a concept doesn't have a reality, and there isn't anything that could relax it, as both it and that which could help aren't real, and so it is a floating non-existent falseness. I am lightness.

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby graceabounds » Mon Apr 28, 2025 5:36 pm

Beautiful.

I’m going to offer a series of questions now to uncover any remaining gaps in clear seeing. Look into each and continue to report immediately from the raw experience itself, not a concept or philosophy about it. :)

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look? Was there a moment of shift with a distinct before and after?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. Consider and describe each if these separately.

6) What makes things happen? How does it work?

7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

8) Anything to add?

In gratitude,
Becca
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby Noknot » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:32 pm

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
As for 'myself', staying with the present, I try go there and there is nothing, just...empty movement. Was there ever a self? No, there's been lots of stories though, lots of arisings that said they were sticking together, but when you look, they weren't. I still would say that, if I were in a room with someone else, I would speak of 'that' person and 'this' person. But now it's like, closer, you see the smile first, the rhythm.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The separate self starts when others refer to 'me' as me, and so I refer to myself as I. This unquestioned assumption builds upon its non-real foundation (so in truth, no building at all) and carries on as merely a presumptive idea. It's like two hands pushing against each other in space, but when you zoom out there's no wrists or arms, and so they are a complete paradox and can't be, there is no one doing the pushing, it is a completely unreal and false contraction. Now, I look at find nothing, empty moving.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
I have been on this journey a while, and it's been more and more 'intense' (though not experientially) recently, with LU being the non-end, it seems. What is the difference? It's so difficult to articulate. Let's take a tree or plant. Before I didn't really see it, like it was half there. Now, it's absolutely there, pristine, done. I could look at anything for hours and hours, everything is utterly miraculous. I'm just lighter in a way that has nothing to do with cause.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look? Was there a moment of shift with a distinct before and after?
I don't think I can pinpoint anything specifically. When it happened it can't have been 'experience' in the usual sense as then I would have created a story of the self for it. And so, it just Is, acausal, you clear away, get open, and one day you're walking or sitting or pausing and it's like an empty wind of quiet blew everything away, nothing has changed, and everything is different.
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. Consider and describe each if these separately.
Decisions: I had chicken, rice, and salad for dinner, all of the possible thoughts that could have been ontop or around this wouldn't have changed it. It was.

Intention: When I go walking, the feet walk where they walk. Intention is after the turn.

Free will: Complete red herring! There is presence and no one to will, it's all just happening.

Choice: There is presence and there will either be tea or coffee, but that's the future, not real. I'll see when I get there when it Is.

Control: Like I said, my feet go where they go, as do these words, as do my hands. How can I control anything when I am not? It'd be like wind trying to control space itself, it makes no sense.

6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
There is presence. Things arise...spontaneously, that's the closest word, but that's still too controlling. Things are when it Is.
How does it work? Beats me!
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
At most, simply what Is. Perhaps 'engagement', but even then, it will just be.
8) Anything to add?
Just gratitude, absolutely overflowing gratitude for you, Becca! I'm sure this will all 'seep deeper' and the gradualness will dissipate into that beautiful nothingness somehow, paradoxically, moreso. But for now, thank you thank you thank you!

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby graceabounds » Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:37 pm

Bravo, friend.

I could look at anything for hours and hours, everything is utterly miraculous. I'm just lighter in a way that has nothing to do with cause
It is miraculous. All of it. Always has been. :)

I have no further questions! It has been an incredible few days in calendar time. I’ve just shared your responses with my community of guides to see if they have any clarifying inquiries for you. Stay tuned for that.

In the meantime is there anything that remains ripe to be investigated together? Anything overlooked?

Becca
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby graceabounds » Tue Apr 29, 2025 7:36 pm

Hello J,

Guide E offers this for exploration:
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
At most, simply what Is. Perhaps 'engagement'
Say more, what do you mean by this? What is (at most) responsible for what is? What is perhaps responsible for 'engagement'? What are these responses based on experientially?


(Also the LU site has been very slow the past 24 hours, so if you have trouble come back a little later. It is being worked on!)

In gratitude,
Becca
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby Noknot » Tue Apr 29, 2025 10:28 pm

Say more, what do you mean by this? What is (at most) responsible for what is? What is perhaps responsible for 'engagement'? What are these responses based on experientially?
There is what is, and there is awareness of that. It appeared that such levels of awareness (zoned out, attentive, etc.) were forms of engagement, but who is there to engage, and so, awareness as it is, Is.

So again, as to the question 'Who is responsible?' - There is movement and sensation, things happen, but no one is to be found. So, no one is responsible. I don't fully feel this, it feels shallow. Conditioned response, perhaps.

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby graceabounds » Wed Apr 30, 2025 11:26 am

Hello!

From Guide E:

Regarding the sense of "not feeling this" let's explore that some more. Please be on the lookout for the sense of responsiblity or egagement coming up, like you wanna "catch the experience happening in real time". When they come up, look: Where do they come from? What controls them?

Also: There is responsibliity and engagement in the conventional sense. If we didn't know to use these concepts for ordinary communication and planning we could not function as normal adults. However, what truly controls or is responsible for the engagement and responsibility? Anything separate at all?
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby Noknot » Wed Apr 30, 2025 11:48 am

When they come up, look: Where do they come from? What controls them?
When 'they' come up, they're singular thoughts or ideas that come from nothing. What controls them is equally nothing, they just are and then fade away.
what truly controls or is responsible for the engagement and responsibility? Anything separate at all?
Nothing separate, the way I would put it is that it Is Of movement, it is movement in space in the sense that it is This.

(Regarding normative responsibility, I agree. But once the concepts as tools are there, they are still part of This, so that happens as it happens too.)

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby graceabounds » Fri May 02, 2025 8:27 am

Yes, lovely. :)

How have things been settling this week? What is emerging or being noticed?
(This question is just a check in from me)

With love,
Becca
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby Noknot » Fri May 02, 2025 12:21 pm

How have things been settling this week? What is emerging or being noticed?
In a sense, nothing is settled. (Not in the sense of trying to figure anything out, as in No-thing has settled. What's being noticed? Things happen, space happens, things move by, this being is there 'amidst' them, of them. It happens.

Thoughts are, but are at a distance, much shorter 'half-life'. There is feeling, it arises as is.

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby graceabounds » Sun May 04, 2025 11:32 am

Well friend,

Beautifully expressed, all these words about this exquisite THIS, simply what is. It appears that the Gateless Gate has been crossed… but as you know there is no Gate, no one to cross it, and no end to the journey.

Soon you’ll receive an email notifying you of a PM from the forum, inviting you to join LU's Facebook groups. It also has other information that might be of interest. Your username will change from green to blue and this thread will be moved to the ‘Archive’ section of the forum, but you will be able to access it.

The experience here is just the beginning of exploring. It will also be the beginning of cleaning up of all sorts of old beliefs and habitual patterns of thought as has already been happening. This can be an emotional process and a nonlinear one. If you have any questions or hiccups at all, you are welcome to drop a line here or email me any time. My address is becca@supportedawakening.com

It has been a pleasure to walk beside you here. Of course it is not necessarily the end of our conversation. You have my email!

With gratitude and love,
Becca
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“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby Noknot » Sun May 04, 2025 12:11 pm

Becca, it has been a great pleasure to walk alongside you here. That is, walking alongside no one, to nowhere, to get the nothing we never lost. How wonderful!

I am ever grateful,

With love and warmth,
James

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Re: In the desert, looking for the gateless gate

Postby graceabounds » Sun May 04, 2025 12:14 pm

Ha ha yes.
Very ‘good’ summary
Perhaps consider guiding one day?
:)

Becca
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle


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