Liv Unbound

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Re: Liv Unbound

Postby LivUnbound » Tue May 04, 2021 2:21 am

Hi Vivian,
Can Olivia awaken?
No, she is not real. Even if there were some awakening thoughts about her, they would be just a story. In her story and in the fantasy land, anything can happen.
 In Olivia’s story, she had some moments of awakening and insight through inquiry or spontaneous insights. 
But now I see those ‘awakenings’ weren’t ‘hers’, she had nothing to do with them!
What does awakening happen TO?
To nobody.
What is it that awakens?
Nothing awakens. Nothing is asleep. Just sensations appear and thoughts appear.

Is there something standing separate from life, so it can awaken to it?
Nothing is separate from life, so nothing can awaken to it. Nothing is asleep to it, seems like that is also another story - that we are so asleep, and so unconscious so we have to do something to wake up. And in reality it’s just life unfolding, exactly as it should.


Olivia

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Re: Liv Unbound

Postby Vivien » Tue May 04, 2021 5:28 am

Hi Olivia,

Thank you for your replies.

What we usually do at this stage of the process is to ask some final questions that I will show to other guides to see if there is anything that we might have missed and that my guiding was clear.

Are you ready for these final questions or there is something else you would like to look at first?

Vivien
The most profound discoveries arise from questioning the obvious.

Website: https://www.viviennovak.com/

Blog: https://fadingveiling.com/

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Re: Liv Unbound

Postby LivUnbound » Wed May 05, 2021 12:14 am

Thank you Vivian!
You can go ahead with the final questions.
Olivia

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Re: Liv Unbound

Postby Vivien » Wed May 05, 2021 12:33 am

Hi Olivia,

Please answer the following questions with some detail please, and answer what's true for you rather than any sort of 'ideal' answer. Also please provide examples where asked.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

2) Share in your own words what the illusion of separate self is and how it shows up in experience. Also, through your inquiry, what is different now?

3) How does it feel to see this?
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.

b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.

6) Anything to add?


Vivien
The most profound discoveries arise from questioning the obvious.

Website: https://www.viviennovak.com/

Blog: https://fadingveiling.com/

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Re: Liv Unbound

Postby LivUnbound » Fri May 07, 2021 12:37 am

Hi Vivian,

1)Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?
The only ‘self’, ‘me’, ‘I’ entity is a thought, an image that is not real. It can’t be found in reality. It can’t be found inside of a body, there is no body, only an experience of colors and sensations and a thought labeling it a ‘body’ or ‘my body’.
2) Share in your own words what the illusion of separate self is and how it shows up in experience. Also, through your inquiry, what is different now?
The illusion of the separate self is believing that there is an entity inside of a body, one that can produce its own thoughts and animates the body;It has separate private thoughts and it has to make sure it does the right thing, whatever that is - to appear good and likeable - to all the other perceived Selves that appear to be separate and outside of it.
What is different now?
There is a sense of a relief and trust. Emotions seem to not stick around for as long. (I’m still looking into this), but there is no single reason to feel stuck or trapped. (There wasn’t before either but now it’s easier to see it)
There is a deep sense of not having to do anything, relaxed excitement experiencing the body moving with everything else as if all part of one inseparable dynamic painting/movie.
3) How does it feel to see this?
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It’s really liberating. Simple. Relieving. Curious.
Open. Trusting. Humbling.
(I’ll speak from the first perspective)
Before the inquiry I came with so many hidden expectations. Vivian helped me to see some but there were so many hidden ones that were so interfering with just experiencing all the way it is. The biggest difference is the sense of rush somewhere - seem to be gone. My car and my Mac broke down last week as well as I had a tooth emergency and even my boyfriend told me he enjoyes being with me so much more as I’m just being with him, without rushing. I feel more open for what is In front of me and curious about what is next as opposed to being consumed by how things should happen next..
I’m still looking into this..
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
There was awareness of the character Olivia in the thoughts, seeing her as in a movie. And there was awareness of the thoughts/voices and images and the fantasy land of the mind. But I kept saying ‘the thoughts are showing ‘me’ this or that’, and so Vivian asked who was the ‘I’ that the thoughts were presenting themselves to? So I closed my eyes and was looking deeply. And I saw a head. It was like the inside of where ‘my head’ would have been. And when I saw the head I realized it couldn’t be real since I had my eyes closed, and so it must also belong into the same category as the invisible fantasy land. I realized that I always thought of myself as a whole body with a head on, even though I actually don’t see my head, just the body and a piece of a nose (I could go deeper here in how I perceive the body now as more of a two-dimensional part of everything else perceived). Anyway, so ‘I’ looked if there was any ‘real me’ there and it was so clear and obvious there was absolutely nothing. And never could have been. Except of the awareness of thoughts and images.
I realized the experiencing was happening to nobody, just happening.
5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work
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All don’t exist, are illusions, same category as the self. Since thoughts just pop into awareness and I don’t control or choose them, there can’t be any control or choice or free will. Even when it appears that way. I looked deeply into the ‘conscious thoughts’ too, it’s the same - there is no conscious thoughts lol.
Examples: fingers typing this and there is nobody doing it, especially not me since there is not me, and a thought can’t type, effortless(no free will) A thought popped today to go to the beach, an image of beach showed up. So now Olivia is at the beach writing this (no choice). And I can control things as much as Lisa Simpson is driving the car in the opening of The Simpsons :) .. voices arguing about how things should be and what ‘I’ have to do etc.- completely irrelevant. Nobody controls anything.
b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.
I’m responsible for nothing. I’m not responsible for my health or bills as much as I’m not responsible for the tide. Just curious what will happen next.. this is huge!

6) Anything to add?
I’m still looking..

With much appreciation,
Olivia

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Re: Liv Unbound

Postby Vivien » Fri May 07, 2021 1:06 am

Hi Olivia,

Thank you for your responses. I am going to ask other guides to have a look at the thread to ensure that I have covered everything and that my pointing has been clear. This may take a few days. Other guides might have further questions, and if they do, I will bring them to you.
I’m still looking..
Yes, just keep looking. As we talked about this before, this is just a first step. Now starts the undoing or the falling away of the supporting beliefs that keeps the illusion of self together. This falling away takes time.

Vivien
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Website: https://www.viviennovak.com/

Blog: https://fadingveiling.com/

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Re: Liv Unbound

Postby LivUnbound » Sat May 08, 2021 12:43 am

Ok thank you!

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Re: Liv Unbound

Postby Vivien » Sat May 08, 2021 1:11 am

Hi Olivia,

Other guides have no further questions for you. It has been a pleasure to explore the concept of the separate self with you. Thank you for being open and willing to look.

Keep an eye out for an email notification notifying you of a PM (private message) from the forum inviting you to join our aftercare groups on Facebook. If you don't receive an email notification, you can access your PM's from the forum once you have logged in. The PM also details other resources available to you.

Your username will change from green to blue which indicates that you have had the realisation of there being no separate self. This thread will be moved to the ‘Archive’ section of the forum, but you will be able to access it.

You can contact me at any time if you have any questions via private message here on the forum, or via Facebook if you decide to join our groups there.

Please don’t forget that this is just a beginning. It’s the beginning of cleaning up of conditionings, which needs further looking to help them to dissolve. All sorts of old beliefs, emotions and feeling can come up to see them and feel them. Please don’t stop looking if you want things to deepen.

If something comes up and you don’t know how to deal with it, please feel free to contact me, so we can have a look. I do further looking private sessions (video calls) and emotional inquiry. If you are interested, you can read more about that on my website (you can find the link in my signature).

Vivien
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