LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this? Clearly seen that self it's just a thought which doesn't exist. It's a mental construction stablished since early age by others and it keeps inserting in to the thought stream "claiming" ownership of what happens by itself(i.e. I'm walking instead of just walking). Once this is realized the story/stories of self and all its identities are laughable
What are you looking for at LU? Help on confirming the shift that happened, as self deception is common, which I read on the most frequent asked questions. Once stable, help others to really see the separate self, at some point after learning the teaching techniques that LU guides use.
What do you expect from a guided conversation? Help to confirm the shift that happened while reading and using the questions on the book Gateless Gatecrasher, for self-inquiry. Otherwise help to really see the no separated self. And guide on to help others after stabilization.
What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry? Started to seek 8 years ago, something inside because the outside/material couldn't fulfill. Read books and practiced what I learned (Kriya yoga, Kundalini yoga, Pineal glad meditation, Zen meditation, Heart meditation. Some of them helped to experience unconditional love and compassion, it didn't last and didn't stop suffering or more seeking. Until read and used the questions on the Gateless Gatecrasher that the clear seen of no self happened, no more seeking, no more suffering, so amazingly paradoxical because nothing changed, yet everything is sensed differently.
On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self? 10
Help on the shift (confirmation)
Re: Help on the shift (confirmation)
Hi DragonHert,
Nice to read you.
My name is Lubo and I can walk with you in this confirmation proces , if you are OK?
What name you prefer to call you?
Please explain in details the moment of the shift. What happen, what is seen, how this seeing revealed itself, share like a nobody to nobody?
Much love to you,
Lubo
Nice to read you.
My name is Lubo and I can walk with you in this confirmation proces , if you are OK?
What name you prefer to call you?
Please explain in details the moment of the shift. What happen, what is seen, how this seeing revealed itself, share like a nobody to nobody?
Much love to you,
Lubo
I am happy to invite you to join our meetings and events
https://luchanalubo.com/
https://luchanalubo.com/
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DragonHeart
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Re: Help on the shift (confirmation)
Hi Lubo,
Yes, Thank you for your time and quick response.
You can call me Lidia
On July 24th 2024. After reading “if you look, Can you find “you” in reality without referencing thoughts, feeling or sensation?” All of the sudden, it was so clear that self/I couldn’t be found because it’s just a thought, so it doesn’t exist at all, it is so simple! The presence/life came to the front ground, everything was the same yet so different, there is fluidity, and lightness to everything, while in nature everything looks more alive, and energy comes and goes. There are fewer thoughts, they arise and go. Almost no reactivity. Nothing has changed, yet it seems different. Abundante gratitude is present!
After that day, the emotions, thoughts, sensations, are just energies that are expected, and then they go. Seeing the stories of the identities are funny now (just stories).
A pleasant surprise when suffering and seeking weren’t present anymore! Very surprising indeed. Grateful!
Much love,
Lidia
Yes, Thank you for your time and quick response.
You can call me Lidia
On July 24th 2024. After reading “if you look, Can you find “you” in reality without referencing thoughts, feeling or sensation?” All of the sudden, it was so clear that self/I couldn’t be found because it’s just a thought, so it doesn’t exist at all, it is so simple! The presence/life came to the front ground, everything was the same yet so different, there is fluidity, and lightness to everything, while in nature everything looks more alive, and energy comes and goes. There are fewer thoughts, they arise and go. Almost no reactivity. Nothing has changed, yet it seems different. Abundante gratitude is present!
After that day, the emotions, thoughts, sensations, are just energies that are expected, and then they go. Seeing the stories of the identities are funny now (just stories).
A pleasant surprise when suffering and seeking weren’t present anymore! Very surprising indeed. Grateful!
Much love,
Lidia
Re: Help on the shift (confirmation)
Ooo, dear Lidia,
It is so beautiful to read you.
Yes, so simple, just one look :)
Here in LU this is the goal. One look and we are closing the thread.
And this is only the starting point. Whats left is free fall, and flying
I can send you the final questions with wich we close every thread in LU,
this questions are helping others guide to take a look.
And after receiving 3 confirmations, the case is closed or
if some guides have further questions if something needs to be clarifying.
So, for me you are done. Do you want the closing questions?
or you prefer to walk a little bit more around?
Of course I am here and I can support you if something pops-up after confirmation.
You are not alone in that anymore.
I understand that you want to help others?
You can chose a guide who can be your mentor for the first 1 or 3 clients.
I think you will receive a list from the admin, after confirmation proces.
And here it is some further questions and reflection if you are interested:
24th of July it is fresh, fresh.
Notice how all should and shouldn't, shame and guilt, worries , etc will start seen as meaningless?
Also pay attention to the moment of awakening in the morning just before the eyes are opened - this which appear as morning doe's it knows itself? Or it is known?
These questions are not part from the confirmation. Just play if you are curious.
So much love to you,
Lubo
It is so beautiful to read you.
Yes, so simple, just one look :)
Here in LU this is the goal. One look and we are closing the thread.
And this is only the starting point. Whats left is free fall, and flying
I can send you the final questions with wich we close every thread in LU,
this questions are helping others guide to take a look.
And after receiving 3 confirmations, the case is closed or
if some guides have further questions if something needs to be clarifying.
So, for me you are done. Do you want the closing questions?
or you prefer to walk a little bit more around?
Of course I am here and I can support you if something pops-up after confirmation.
You are not alone in that anymore.
I understand that you want to help others?
You can chose a guide who can be your mentor for the first 1 or 3 clients.
I think you will receive a list from the admin, after confirmation proces.
And here it is some further questions and reflection if you are interested:
24th of July it is fresh, fresh.
Yes in the beginning is like this.Nothing has changed,
Notice how all should and shouldn't, shame and guilt, worries , etc will start seen as meaningless?
Also pay attention to the moment of awakening in the morning just before the eyes are opened - this which appear as morning doe's it knows itself? Or it is known?
These questions are not part from the confirmation. Just play if you are curious.
So much love to you,
Lubo
I am happy to invite you to join our meetings and events
https://luchanalubo.com/
https://luchanalubo.com/
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DragonHeart
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Re: Help on the shift (confirmation)
Yay!!!
Thank you so much, Dear Lubo :)
Yes, please send me the final questions.
Yes, Helping others to be free is something that would love to do, and would love to learn how.
Thank you for the tips/questions that could used moving forward. And yes, have noticed that when thoughts/emotions arise they don't stick perhaps because they are meaningless as you pointed out.
Much love and appreciation,
Lidia
Thank you so much, Dear Lubo :)
Yes, please send me the final questions.
Yes, Helping others to be free is something that would love to do, and would love to learn how.
Thank you for the tips/questions that could used moving forward. And yes, have noticed that when thoughts/emotions arise they don't stick perhaps because they are meaningless as you pointed out.
Much love and appreciation,
Lidia
Re: Help on the shift (confirmation)
:) Nice
Here are the final question, just write as an answer your reflections:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
6) Anything to add?
enjoy :)
Here are the final question, just write as an answer your reflections:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
6) Anything to add?
enjoy :)
I am happy to invite you to join our meetings and events
https://luchanalubo.com/
https://luchanalubo.com/
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DragonHeart
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Re: Help on the shift (confirmation)
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Nope. Was there ever? No.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The separate self is just a thought a mental construction established at early age by others humans. It’s a thought that inserts itself to other thoughts, creating the illusion that I/self is the doer, the owner of the thoughts, emotions, sensations. (i .e. I’m walking instead of just walking). With this, it creates the illusion of being in control of what is happening, trying to change what it doesn’t want or feels “bad” and keep what it wants or feels “good”, which is laughable after seen that the self doesn’t exist.
3) How does it feel to see this? Liberating
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
After seen so clearly that self/I doesn’t exit, that it’s just a thought, a story, there is fluidity in everything, thoughts and emotions arise and go and they are seen as they are, just thoughts and emotions, very simple, just energies passing through. Seeking is gone! Suffering is gone!
There are less thoughts and almost no reactivity. Presence is on the front ground, Amazing :)
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
After reading “if you look, Can you find “you” in reality without referencing thoughts, feeling or sensation?” All of the sudden, it was so clear that self/I couldn’t be found because it’s just a thought, so it doesn’t exist at all, it is so simple! Then it was solidified by reading “You’ve stepped outside of the movie theater, but your mind has still the story of you in it. The story doesn’t go because is fiction. But because it’s seen to be fiction, its ability to trap is finally weakened.”
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Dictionary definition: a conclusion or resolution reached after consideration. A choice.
Decisions are made by themselves, without a doer. Example, there is no an “I” or “Me” inserted or claiming ownership. Things get done or not done, they just happen.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Dictionary Definition, an aim or plan
Intention is another illusion, because there is no one to control what happens or will happens, they just happen by themselves. Example: the intention to aim to hit a target could be formulated, however there is no control of what’s happening, so really it’s just another trick
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There is not such a thing as “free will” because there is no one making decisions, they just happen be themselves. The example is the same as the one given on the decision description.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
This is the same as the definition of decision described above. :)
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is an illusion created when I/Me/self inserts to other thought creating the illusion of being in control of what is happening, trying to change what it doesn’t want or feels “bad” and keep what it wants or feels “good”, which is laughable after seen that the self doesn’t exist. And after seen that emotions are just energy passing through.
Example, there is no control of the weather no matter if is “pleasant” or “not pleasant”
What makes things happen? Nothing they just happen by themselves
How does it work? It’s just a movement of life/presence’s energies arising and going away.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
Dictionary definition “having an obligation to do something, or having control over or care for someone, as part of one's job or role.”
There is no doer, there is no controller. Bills get paid, caring for my loved ones get done. They come to existence and they go
6) Anything to add? Nope
Much love,
Lidia
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The separate self is just a thought a mental construction established at early age by others humans. It’s a thought that inserts itself to other thoughts, creating the illusion that I/self is the doer, the owner of the thoughts, emotions, sensations. (i .e. I’m walking instead of just walking). With this, it creates the illusion of being in control of what is happening, trying to change what it doesn’t want or feels “bad” and keep what it wants or feels “good”, which is laughable after seen that the self doesn’t exist.
3) How does it feel to see this? Liberating
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
After seen so clearly that self/I doesn’t exit, that it’s just a thought, a story, there is fluidity in everything, thoughts and emotions arise and go and they are seen as they are, just thoughts and emotions, very simple, just energies passing through. Seeking is gone! Suffering is gone!
There are less thoughts and almost no reactivity. Presence is on the front ground, Amazing :)
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
After reading “if you look, Can you find “you” in reality without referencing thoughts, feeling or sensation?” All of the sudden, it was so clear that self/I couldn’t be found because it’s just a thought, so it doesn’t exist at all, it is so simple! Then it was solidified by reading “You’ve stepped outside of the movie theater, but your mind has still the story of you in it. The story doesn’t go because is fiction. But because it’s seen to be fiction, its ability to trap is finally weakened.”
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Dictionary definition: a conclusion or resolution reached after consideration. A choice.
Decisions are made by themselves, without a doer. Example, there is no an “I” or “Me” inserted or claiming ownership. Things get done or not done, they just happen.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Dictionary Definition, an aim or plan
Intention is another illusion, because there is no one to control what happens or will happens, they just happen by themselves. Example: the intention to aim to hit a target could be formulated, however there is no control of what’s happening, so really it’s just another trick
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There is not such a thing as “free will” because there is no one making decisions, they just happen be themselves. The example is the same as the one given on the decision description.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
This is the same as the definition of decision described above. :)
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is an illusion created when I/Me/self inserts to other thought creating the illusion of being in control of what is happening, trying to change what it doesn’t want or feels “bad” and keep what it wants or feels “good”, which is laughable after seen that the self doesn’t exist. And after seen that emotions are just energy passing through.
Example, there is no control of the weather no matter if is “pleasant” or “not pleasant”
What makes things happen? Nothing they just happen by themselves
How does it work? It’s just a movement of life/presence’s energies arising and going away.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
Dictionary definition “having an obligation to do something, or having control over or care for someone, as part of one's job or role.”
There is no doer, there is no controller. Bills get paid, caring for my loved ones get done. They come to existence and they go
6) Anything to add? Nope
Much love,
Lidia
Re: Help on the shift (confirmation)
Hi dear Lidia,
Thank you for the beautiful answers.
Guides read your answers and you have 3 confirmations ! :)
You will receive letter from the Admin.
let's be in touch here until you have your mentor.
You can share whatever is alive for you.
We (me and Luchana) host meeting this Thursday 6 pm France time zone,
if you want to join let me know.
So much love to you,
Lubo
Thank you for the beautiful answers.
Guides read your answers and you have 3 confirmations ! :)
You will receive letter from the Admin.
let's be in touch here until you have your mentor.
You can share whatever is alive for you.
We (me and Luchana) host meeting this Thursday 6 pm France time zone,
if you want to join let me know.
So much love to you,
Lubo
I am happy to invite you to join our meetings and events
https://luchanalubo.com/
https://luchanalubo.com/
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DragonHeart
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Re: Help on the shift (confirmation)
Dear Lubo,
Thanks you so much! For your and the other guides time! Much gratitude to you all :) The help that is given to so many is truly amazing and really appreciated.
The Gateless Gatecrasher book by Elena and Ilona truly works! Much love, gratitud, and appreciation to Elena and Ilona too :)
Yes, let’s keep in touch here :) until the guide is assigned.
Have been reading the LU Enlightening Quotes App, session after Gate and is very helpful.
Noticing more things/beliefs clarifying, like aha moments with a sense that something goes away, like an energy that goes and a clear space. And this is happening by itself :) So interesting to see and experience.
Absolutely, it’d be an interesting experience to participate in that meeting. Much appreciated.
Much love and gratitude,
Lidia
Thanks you so much! For your and the other guides time! Much gratitude to you all :) The help that is given to so many is truly amazing and really appreciated.
The Gateless Gatecrasher book by Elena and Ilona truly works! Much love, gratitud, and appreciation to Elena and Ilona too :)
Yes, let’s keep in touch here :) until the guide is assigned.
Have been reading the LU Enlightening Quotes App, session after Gate and is very helpful.
Noticing more things/beliefs clarifying, like aha moments with a sense that something goes away, like an energy that goes and a clear space. And this is happening by itself :) So interesting to see and experience.
Absolutely, it’d be an interesting experience to participate in that meeting. Much appreciated.
Much love and gratitude,
Lidia
Re: Help on the shift (confirmation)
Hi dear Lidia,
Your gratitude is accepted. You deserve all that.
Guide-mentor will be your choice, Nerina, the admin sent you PM with the invitation to become friend in FB and she will add you in LU guide group in FB, where you will find a list with guides-mentor,
check the way they work in the forum and feel which one resonate with you
and then ask the guide to be your mentor.
here it is ZOOM Link for the meeting
Thursday 6 pm, France Time zone:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/88905540192?p ... FUT29EZz09
Meeting ID: 889 0554 0192
Passcode: 170743
Love,
Lubo
Your gratitude is accepted. You deserve all that.
yes, I am here if you are curious for more.Yes, let’s keep in touch here :) until the guide is assigned.
Guide-mentor will be your choice, Nerina, the admin sent you PM with the invitation to become friend in FB and she will add you in LU guide group in FB, where you will find a list with guides-mentor,
check the way they work in the forum and feel which one resonate with you
and then ask the guide to be your mentor.
These meetings are for our members in YT, you are more then welcomeAbsolutely, it’d be an interesting experience to participate in that meeting. Much appreciated.
here it is ZOOM Link for the meeting
Thursday 6 pm, France Time zone:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/88905540192?p ... FUT29EZz09
Meeting ID: 889 0554 0192
Passcode: 170743
Love,
Lubo
I am happy to invite you to join our meetings and events
https://luchanalubo.com/
https://luchanalubo.com/
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DragonHeart
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Re: Help on the shift (confirmation)
Many thanks Lubo :)
Read the PM
Much love,
Lidia
Read the PM
Much love,
Lidia
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