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Pangurban
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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Sat Aug 17, 2024 2:13 pm

Notice the thoughts like mom protect feelings in the body - guilt and shame
There’s certainly something protective happening…
notice does the body is identifying with you?
the body just is.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:37 pm

There’s certainly something protective happening…
What is the story? Why there should be something wrong wich should be covered?
notice does the body is identifying with you?
the body just is
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What is to find that there is "I am the body" but you see that body is not you?
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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Sat Aug 17, 2024 8:21 pm

What is the story? Why there should be something wrong wich should be covered?
Nothing wrong there. There’s protection of something that isn’t there. It’s a story of the past. A thought. A thought does not need protection.
What is to find that there is "I am the body" but you see that body is not you?
Awareness.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:21 pm

Nothing wrong there.
Yes. Notice right now the feelings/emotions - fear, shame...They are absolutely valid and there is freedom with them?
What is to find that there is "I am the body" but you see that body is not you?
Awareness.
I mean notice that you don't know what you are?
Because you are not the body, not the name...?

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:49 pm

They are absolutely valid and there is freedom with them?
There’s freedom with knowing that they are not me and I don’t need to act on them.
I mean notice that you don't know what you are?
I’m not sure I understand the question right. I know I’m not the body and not the name/persona. and no, the mind can’t seem to grasp what i am. there’s this sense of presence that goes beyond the body. it’s always there.

Love
Claudia

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:12 am

Ok. Claudia,
You are doing great!
I like thus very much:
the mind can’t seem to grasp what i am
This is awesome!!!
I know I’m not the body and not the name/persona.
Now without knowing, please LOOK -
Are you persona?,
is there persona in any shape or form?

and share what is SEEN in this way " I clearly SEE that..."
there’s this sense of presence that goes beyond the body. it’s always there.
Yes, you found that you are here!
An you found that you are not the body,
Check with looking again:
Are you here (whatever you are)?
Is there experience of the wether and body in this very moment?

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Mon Aug 19, 2024 1:47 pm

What even is a persona. It's a bunch of ideas, no? Personas don't really point to anything real, do they? Just like "I". So thoughts that are limiting: "Because I am like this I need to act like that".
Are you persona? is there persona in any shape or form?
When I look, there's nothing in direct experience I can't find apersona. Feelings in the body or not, emotions, the floor under my feet, cars outside. Thoughts. i can watch the thoughts for a while. Sometimes thoughts come up that try to describe how or who this "Claudia" is. Maybe how she is conditioned. But they are thoughts not the true self.
Are you here (whatever you are)?
I can't find "myself" in my experience, yet there's the presence and it's always here. it seems to be in everything.

Love,
Claudia

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Mon Aug 19, 2024 2:06 pm

Ok
yet there's the presence and it's always here
What can put a mask "I am persona Claudia?
Persona knows presence?
or presence/you/god/nobody, play small by habit?
Is there someone else then you?
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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:33 pm

What can put a mask "I am persona Claudia?
Persona knows presence?
In my experience, the mask is put on by the ego or small self. Maybe through habit or conditioning?
Persona can't know anything because it's a thought and a thought cannot experience things.
or presence/you/god/nobody, play small by habit? Is there someone else then you?
it's the thoughts/mind messing about.
I have not seen another true Self.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:40 am

Dear Claudia,
We are looking that there is no persona/me/ego at all and never was and never will be.
it's the thoughts/mind messing about.
Yes, this is evidence that there is a conflict in the heart,
but wich part is a Claudia?
Do you know what exactly you are?
I ask "know" - but this is not to go in thoughts but to check is there such things wich I know I am?
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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Tue Aug 20, 2024 8:14 pm

Dear Lubo

I KNOW I’m not thought or feeling or body. I don’t know what I truly am, at least that I don’t know how to put into words, there’s that sense of presence that has always been there.

In my experience it’s clear that “behind” thoughts is emptiness. they come from nobody. they disappear 🫠

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:05 pm

Beautiful dear Claudia,
In my experience it’s clear that “behind” thoughts is emptiness.
Yes, thoughts appear from the eternal heart.
Stay focus toward emptiness, notice that everythig appear from there?
is there time in emptiness?
they come from nobody
Yes, this is your name/the name of God
Notice that you are there, you share there is nothing?
they disappear
Yes. Thoughts are coming from nothingness and disappear.
Now check what is the source of sound?

Where the sound "Om" for example is coming from, with eyes closed?

Are you Persona?

Speaking is persona's doing?

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:08 am

ughh. my answer got deleted because I got logged out. beginners mistake.
Stay focus toward emptiness, notice that everythig appear from there?
Yes, I do notice that. Even sound. Even a cup I'm looking at. Lines dissolve. it's thoughts that create separation even though they can appear in all that, too.
Emptiness is so subtle, easy to miss.

I was in a silent retreat late last year where it was suddenly so clear! but I "lost it" again after that. I know, I can't truly loose it. But that's how it's experienced. What even is emptiness, it's not truly nothing/empty, yet it's one of the better words for it

When I listen, I can see that there's nobody listening. it just appears, the sound.

There's no persona or at least I don't believe in it. Sometimes there's the experience of nothingness so to speak. But it still appears as an illusion, especially when I talk to people.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:30 pm

Notice does the emptiness nows itself?
Or you/nobody/god is there to find that?
When I listen, I can see that there's nobody listening
Yes, sound is for the Nobody.
What is to find that you are not persona but the Supreme /Nobody?

What is to find that every movement here every word is caused by you God?
Check what is going on in you and notice is there something wich is not caused by God?
Are you the face? :)
Notice:
my car, my face is/or not = I am the car, I am the face?

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:00 am

Dear Lubo

The last week has felt like I am melting away. I've been very tired, too. I've been working with all the emotions. releasing. So I needed time to let things settle and sleep things off. but I've been very much with my experience over the weekend.
What is to find that you are not persona but the Supreme /Nobody?
it's like an experience that is slowly but steadily getting stronger. very freeing. sometimes confusing.

My experience at times is this now:
It's as if the whole body is seeing, like seeing out of the heart (not from the eyes/head). There's clearly nobody seeing. there's emptiness.
I know I am not my face. Sometimes I see a limb of the body (like arm or leg) and I am like "who's that?" but it goes away.
There's no more fear of not functioning without a self. This process has completely taken it away.
There is still identification with strong emotions at times.

Love,
Claudia


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