Who i am

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Who i am

Postby Dos » Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:44 pm

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
I understand this as meaning that there is no one who hears, no one who sees, no one who thinks. All these things simply happen without the concept of "me"

What are you looking for at LU?
I am only seeking the truth here, so that I can see it and be sure that there is no 'i" only what is, without me. What I can achieve through intensive practices is finally seeing it and never returning to this subject again. This is what I am seeking

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
I would like to receive clear guidance from this conversation on where to look, an understanding of the level I am at, and advice on how to act in situations that are unclear to me. I think that's all I would want from a conversation with a guid

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
I think I have zero experience, even though there were some glimpses of "not me," but it was all temporary.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
10

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Re: Who i am

Postby Elad » Wed Nov 01, 2023 3:56 pm

Hello, my name is Elad and I would be happy to do this exploration with you, if we see that it makes sense. Please read and respond to the following points.

1. During this process we will attend only to your own direct experience. We will not be discussing theories or beliefs or other methods, including from non-duality and etc. I will ask you questions and give exercises and you will look and answer me from your direct experience.

2. The two most important ingredients in this process are your wish to see what is true and your willingness to look deeply at questions, give wholehearted engagement to experiments/exercises presented to you, and report your experience here with 100% honesty.

3. Please read the following documents from LU *carefully* and let me know if you have any reservations or doubts regarding them:


http://liberationunleashed.com/disclaimer-2

And:

http://liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/#faq-1041


4. For the process to be focused and fruitful, I like to make an agreement that both guide and client (i.e you and me if we do this together) respond on this thread every day, and in the case of special circumstances where we cannot, still touch space here on the thread to say so, the day before or on the day. In the same spirit, I work with people who have the motivation and availability to make this process a primary priority in their life for the duration of the cooperation. If any of this does not fit your life rhythm, style or preferences, please let me know and another guide will work with you.

What may I call you?

Warmly,
Elad
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Who i am

Postby Dos » Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:34 pm

Hello Elad, I'm glad to receive your response! Of course, I agree with all the rules. P.S. You can call me Dos.

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Re: Who i am

Postby Elad » Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:53 pm

Hello Elad, I'm glad to receive your response! Of course, I agree with all the rules. P.S. You can call me Dos.
Hi Dos. Great!

Please sit with the sentence "there is no separate self, never was, never will be". As you keep it as the focus of your attention write me the reactions that come up; thoughts feelings sensations anything. Don't censor and don't try to get it right. Its more important the seeing of what comes spontaneously and the free open flow then what is actually said.

Warmly,
Elad
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Who i am

Postby Dos » Wed Nov 01, 2023 5:21 pm

I don't feel anything unusual, just a lack of thoughts about the future and the past

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Re: Who i am

Postby Elad » Wed Nov 01, 2023 5:32 pm

I don't feel anything unusual, just a lack of thoughts about the future and the past

All right. Now please write me all your expectations for what will change once you clearly see there is no separate self self whatsoever. Again, don't censor or try to get it right, just let it flow "from the gut".
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Who i am

Postby Dos » Wed Nov 01, 2023 5:54 pm

I would like to be happier. Actually, that's probably my only answer. I wouldn't want to preach my doctrine, I wouldn't want to sit in satsangs and teach people about life. Just live my life, observing the world as it is.

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Re: Who i am

Postby Elad » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:39 pm

I would like to be happier. Actually, that's probably my only answer. I wouldn't want to preach my doctrine, I wouldn't want to sit in satsangs and teach people about life. Just live my life, observing the world as it is.
Ok, write me how you think seeing no-self make life happier? Please be as logical and specific as possible here.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Who i am

Postby Elad » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:39 pm

Ok, write me how you think seeing no-self *will* make life happier? Please be as logical and specific as possible here.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Who i am

Postby Dos » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:52 pm

Ok, write me how you think seeing no-self *will* make life happier? Please be as logical and specific as possible here.
I think I will be happier because there won't be anyone who is suffering. It will just be a feeling of suffering that is not happening to anyone. In my opinion, that's the right answer.

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Re: Who i am

Postby Indira1 » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:58 pm

I dont know

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Re: Who i am

Postby Indira1 » Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:01 pm

if i were to ask myself, who am I? when i am sitting and feeling and looking, i see no one, only looking

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Re: Who i am

Postby Elad » Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:36 pm

if i were to ask myself, who am I? when i am sitting and feeling and looking, i see no one, only looking

That's right. Can you find anything in direct experience that is a self? If yes, what/where? If no, how does it feel to see life/experience unfolding with no self being experienced?
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Who i am

Postby Dos » Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:42 pm

I thought we were alone here

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Re: Who i am

Postby Elad » Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:56 pm

I thought we were alone here
What does this mean? I don't understand your sentence.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)


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