LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this? Just wanting to know the Truth of who I am. What am I without identity? what illusions are hiding this truth about me?
What are you looking for at LU? clarity into this self, clarity about who I am. I have this part of me that knows there is more to me than what I was taught. Who am I with out thought? who am I without identity? I have been seeking for 20 years. I still go back into suffering. Studying never stopped this mind from chattering and going back into suffering. I have been through the 12 step group for 20 years. I just feel, that I have been seeking seeking seeking and have not found. This life feels exhausting. Been feeling in authentic for my entire life. Endlessly seeking and trying so hard for this sustained peace of mind.
What do you expect from a guided conversation? pointing and clarity. Drop identity...Not specifically sure honestly. This is my first time doing this. I feel like this is it as to completely waking up. Hoping to wake up to who I truly am. Even writing all of this, is frustrating. I am not sure what I am expected to write as well. 3 words honestly come up from me out of this question. Pointing, clarity, Awakening.
What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry? I have been in the 12 step program for 20 years. I have read Eckarte tolle,ACIM, studied Metaphysical. I have read, studied, watched 100 YouTubes on Non Dual. I want to experience and feel unfiltered realty
On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self? 11
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Hi Indi,
thank you for reaching out and joining the meeting last Thursday. It was so lovely to reflect with you while sharing your experience.
Can you say something more about that seeing/shift?
How the shift itself felt?
Was it something you expected?
What is different now?
Is still seeking going on?
Sending love,
Luchana
thank you for reaching out and joining the meeting last Thursday. It was so lovely to reflect with you while sharing your experience.
Can you say something more about that seeing/shift?
How the shift itself felt?
Was it something you expected?
What is different now?
Is still seeking going on?
Sending love,
Luchana
If you wonder what it’s like living nonduality in everyday life?
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
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Goodmorning, thank you so much for helping with this, much love to you
ok, Can i say something about what that seeing is?
The seeing, sees NO "I", it sees no me, identity or character. Yet there is still stickness and emeshment with the Indira character.
How did the shift itself feel?
Some what of a relief, and yet strange, strange in that, it felt so simple.
Was it something i expected?
no, not all all
What is the difference now?
The difference is that if i were to ask myself, "Who am I" I feel i would still be seeking for a long time. Its not who am I? its who I am not. The difference is i can now see beingness is far different that this thought system. I got in touch with the quietness inside here. My question, is this, Does beingness ever emerge with the character? Is there such thing as that? and how?
Is still seeking going on?
No, this is it.All behaviors are the same, as in eating, doing what needs to be done, going to mtg. Is there still seeking? i see this question in 2 ways, yes and no. No, in that I see no '''i', yes, i guess it would be if I am still feeling, I need more inquiry
Thank you Luchana, much love
ok, Can i say something about what that seeing is?
The seeing, sees NO "I", it sees no me, identity or character. Yet there is still stickness and emeshment with the Indira character.
How did the shift itself feel?
Some what of a relief, and yet strange, strange in that, it felt so simple.
Was it something i expected?
no, not all all
What is the difference now?
The difference is that if i were to ask myself, "Who am I" I feel i would still be seeking for a long time. Its not who am I? its who I am not. The difference is i can now see beingness is far different that this thought system. I got in touch with the quietness inside here. My question, is this, Does beingness ever emerge with the character? Is there such thing as that? and how?
Is still seeking going on?
No, this is it.All behaviors are the same, as in eating, doing what needs to be done, going to mtg. Is there still seeking? i see this question in 2 ways, yes and no. No, in that I see no '''i', yes, i guess it would be if I am still feeling, I need more inquiry
Thank you Luchana, much love
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There other thing i want to add, as too beingness, I cannot see it, its more of an intimate knowing. Sensing it full on. This sense of beingness has always been here. Always, I suspect even through consemption. Its calm, and feels neutral, non reactive.
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Hi Indira,
thank you for your replies,
How the one who sticks is experienced exactly?
Can you look - is there something apart, separate from the beingness itself?
Is there something which has the ability to merge with it?
I'm curious about the feeling
What is this feeling about?
If you bring the attention closer to the feeling what comes up?
Sending love,
Luchana
thank you for your replies,
What or who sticks with the character?Yet there is still stickness and emeshment with the Indira character.
How the one who sticks is experienced exactly?
Beigness, quietness, nothingness, emptiness, wholeness - these are words, description. Like all words they just point.The difference is that if i were to ask myself, "Who am I" I feel i would still be seeking for a long time. Its not who am I? its who I am not. The difference is i can now see beingness is far different that this thought system. I got in touch with the quietness inside here. My question, is this, Does beingness ever emerge with the character? Is there such thing as that? and how?
Can you look - is there something apart, separate from the beingness itself?
Is there something which has the ability to merge with it?
it is good that the seeking energy calmed.No, this is it.All behaviors are the same, as in eating, doing what needs to be done, going to mtg. Is there still seeking? i see this question in 2 ways, yes and no. No, in that I see no '''i', yes, i guess it would be if I am still feeling, I need more inquiry
I'm curious about the feeling
What is this feeling about?
If you bring the attention closer to the feeling what comes up?
Sending love,
Luchana
If you wonder what it’s like living nonduality in everyday life?
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
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What or who sticks with the character?
Well when i look deeper, there is no me, I, myself and I see No character. I can definately hear thoughts of the Indira character, going on all day. And yet I see no one..I would have to say no one sticks. In the looking i cannot see anyone sticking.
Well when i look deeper, there is no me, I, myself and I see No character. I can definately hear thoughts of the Indira character, going on all day. And yet I see no one..I would have to say no one sticks. In the looking i cannot see anyone sticking.
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what i mean by stickiness, after discovering there is no me, I, myself or Indira, i suspect there was expectation that the thoughts of Indira would drop. I can be so hard on myself on this journey. I felt myself saying, this does not work, this was way too simple. Ok, so you discovered that I am a voice and thoughts and nothing else..And as i am writing i am seeing that what i just wrote are just thoughts..lol!! but yes, the stickiness feels like an expectation that was had hidden that is coming out now..Specifically expected the character of thought would drop away and that has not happened.
Much love, to you Luchana
Much love, to you Luchana
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How is the one who sticks is experienced exactly?
Through thought and dialoges, throughout the day. Sometimes i catch myself repeating the thought out loud and then what follows is this judgment that i should not be doing that. Talking out load to myself while figuring things out, the voice will bring up a person and a past situation and before I realize it, I am answering back...That feels off to me. I do it and i see almost alot of people doing it too..The answering back feels sticky, just the thoughts in general feel sticky..This feels so good getting this out. I am feeling lighter just writing this. It feels good to be heard and to actually work through this so call problem i have had for many years. I suspect honestly, the expectation is what feels sticky.
Thank you, much love
Through thought and dialoges, throughout the day. Sometimes i catch myself repeating the thought out loud and then what follows is this judgment that i should not be doing that. Talking out load to myself while figuring things out, the voice will bring up a person and a past situation and before I realize it, I am answering back...That feels off to me. I do it and i see almost alot of people doing it too..The answering back feels sticky, just the thoughts in general feel sticky..This feels so good getting this out. I am feeling lighter just writing this. It feels good to be heard and to actually work through this so call problem i have had for many years. I suspect honestly, the expectation is what feels sticky.
Thank you, much love
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Can you look - is there something apart, separate from the beingness itself?
Yes i am looking and feeling, nothing is coming up.Oh my goodness, there is nothing separate or apart from this lovely place.I can see no separation from beingness itself. This stillness encompasses everything through senses. it feels, it sees, it experiences, it senses emotions within the body. It expresses. From what i can see, Nada is separate from being, only thoughts that believe that
Yes i am looking and feeling, nothing is coming up.Oh my goodness, there is nothing separate or apart from this lovely place.I can see no separation from beingness itself. This stillness encompasses everything through senses. it feels, it sees, it experiences, it senses emotions within the body. It expresses. From what i can see, Nada is separate from being, only thoughts that believe that
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What is this feeling about?
Feeling that there is more here to this looking...great question, I am looking. Maybe the feeling is backed up with illusion? I am not sure.When I ask myself, why do i need more inquiry? I am going to sit with that question for awhile and get back to you..
Appreciate the question, so much love to you
Feeling that there is more here to this looking...great question, I am looking. Maybe the feeling is backed up with illusion? I am not sure.When I ask myself, why do i need more inquiry? I am going to sit with that question for awhile and get back to you..
Appreciate the question, so much love to you
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What is this feeling about?
If you bring the attention closer to the feeling what comes up?
This is not enough, there has to be more about this shift. Comparing this experience to others awakenings and seeing and feeling that this awakening is different. So almost feeling that there is more. It goes right in with expectations. Here I have been saying to myself i had no expectations when in
fact there has been hidden expectations...Interesting telling on myself..the feeling is is associated with thought, disappointment and impatience that there has to be more, to this..Watching Non Dual teachers talk about Non dual, appeared as if after the shift, one would be experiencing peace 24 hours and it appeared unatainable. Disappointment and expectation. I will say there was not just thought that. I also experienced a sense of relief in discovering this True Nature. It is has been here the whole entire time.My next thought, is, what's next?? lol
sending love, thank you Luchana
If you bring the attention closer to the feeling what comes up?
This is not enough, there has to be more about this shift. Comparing this experience to others awakenings and seeing and feeling that this awakening is different. So almost feeling that there is more. It goes right in with expectations. Here I have been saying to myself i had no expectations when in
fact there has been hidden expectations...Interesting telling on myself..the feeling is is associated with thought, disappointment and impatience that there has to be more, to this..Watching Non Dual teachers talk about Non dual, appeared as if after the shift, one would be experiencing peace 24 hours and it appeared unatainable. Disappointment and expectation. I will say there was not just thought that. I also experienced a sense of relief in discovering this True Nature. It is has been here the whole entire time.My next thought, is, what's next?? lol
sending love, thank you Luchana
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I t was not only some feelings of disappointment but also a sense of relief in discovering this True Nature. It is has been here the whole entire time.That in and of itself is a relief.My next thought, is, what's next?? Is there ever a period where the thoughts just drop? or do thoughts just slowly drop? is it a factor that everyone is different? This feels embarrasing to say, but I will say it anyways. My expectation or fantasy was that liberation would be exactly like Byron Katie and Eckarte Tolle....
Thank you so much for the questions
Thank you so much for the questions
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Luchana
I have a question that has been in my heart for quite some time. Can you talk about affirmations? Is there such a thing as replacing a thought with another thought that is positive thought and is there power in that? Is it true when one does that, they are able to manifest what they want?
I have a question that has been in my heart for quite some time. Can you talk about affirmations? Is there such a thing as replacing a thought with another thought that is positive thought and is there power in that? Is it true when one does that, they are able to manifest what they want?
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