Saw through the Gate then lost it the next day :-(

[Theon]

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
That there is no “Me” other than the illusion of Me that my brain makes for itself

What are you looking for at LU?
Hello.
A few nights ago I downloaded your app, and, luckily enough, saw straight through the illusion of Me from reading the very first quote, lol. Great pointing!

And I sat for a few hours marveling at how simple yet amazing “enlightenment” is and clearly saw how the whole charade is constructed in our mind.

Then a bit later I thought, “This is great! I’m finally enlightened!” (I can see the irony in that). But I was so excited and I could hardly sleep that night.

Then, the next day, the veil of Me had come back and I felt like Me again. :-(

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
To help guide me on how to permanently see through, and lose, the illusion of self. To have some compassionate support because while every exciting I am also also a bit nervous, but ready I feel. Thank you.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
While I have always been a fairly spiritual person with a bunch of very cool mystical experiences, I never really pursued them much, nor was I ever a “Seeker”. My interest gradually got piqued in non-duality and I started listening to podcasts to go to sleep at night. Then, the last 4 or 5 months I have developed this kind of “Seeker fever” and started reading a bunch of awakening books almost non-stop…I came across this website and the app…hey presto!!

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
11

[Theon]

Hello, so good to be here!

So it is now day 3 since I saw clearly through the Gate, as per my first post.

Last night I feel I may have got through the Gate again but it was not as revelatory as the first time. What happened this time was I clearly felt I was not my body or my mind, and I started an internal narrative saying to my Mind/Ego: “Down! get down! Get down! You’re not coming back up again! Stay down there! Etc”. And then something kind of seemed to click and I felt more whole/serene again and like I understood the contours of the fake mind and self better. I also felt and recognized how the difference between one perception (call it, No Mind) and the other perception (call it Mind/Ego) is incredibly subtle and not really much difference at all, but more like looking at two sides of a strand of hair. Subtle, but still very, very different when seen.

Oh and I also had a sensation of my brain/consciousness expanding out of my head. Not majorly or anything with fireworks, and it did not expand out to envelop the whole universe or anything. But my consciousness just seemed to lightly inflate outwards maybe to twice its normal size. It was a physical feeling/sensation.

I don’t want to go back to inhabiting my body or mind. But having said that, I am surprised that I still have thoughts and still think I am a “Self”, I can still see and feel that I have a body. A part of me is saying, “Is this it? I know I’m not meant to instantly become Jesus or anything but I still feel incredibly normal and like I am a person”. The other part of me is saying, “Yes, this is it - there is no me- I’m laughing and crying at once and feeling peace.”

There’s still so much to learn.

I would like some guidance on how to discern things properly. I still have a sense of self so I feel I’m not quite where I was a few nights ago where it was unmistakeable.I suspect I tend to get lost in thoughts a bit and overthink things.

[Anastacia42]

Hi Theon

I got & replied to your email. I can be your guide, if you would like.

You've probably read this on other threads, but...

One thing I want to make very clear up front is that with me, you must post every day. If you know yourself and your schedule are such that you cannot do this, tell me, "no," and someone else can guide you, please.

Yes, if once in a while you must post later, please post a note telling me when you will return.

If you know yourself to be a skeptical person, prone to doubt, I may not be the best guide for you. I never had any doubt. I can connect you with one of our other guides who did & who can guide you better than I.

If you haven't already read the disclaimer, please read it now and just confirm to me that you have read it. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/disclaimer-2/

Also please read “Liberation Unleashed is not …” in the FAQ’s of LU. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/#faq-1041

Some housekeeping guidelines:

1. Post at least once a day, or every second day. If you need more time, or are unable to post for several days, just write a quick post on your thread to let me know please.

2. There is no one judging answers given, so please be 100% honest in your answers and inquiry.

3. This exploration is based on actual experience (AE) - smell, taste, sound, sensation, color and observed thoughts. Long-winded analytical and philosophical answers are best avoided and may even hinder progress. This is not a self-improvement process. There is no ‘self’ to improve.

4. Put aside all other teachings, philosophies, rituals, practices, books/reading and so on for the remainder of this investigation. Really put all your effort and attention in to seeing this reality, as it is. If you have a daily meditation practice, it is fine to continue that but is not necessary for this exploration.

Technology is not perfect and sometimes there is a glitch which can wipe out your responses. It is advisable that you copy and paste questions asked into Word, answer them there and then copy and paste them to your thread. Always save a copy of what you have done, it will save time in the long run!

To begin with, so that we both become aware of what your expectations are about this exploration. In your own words (not from actual experience, but just honest answers), could you please answer the 4 following questions:

How will life change?
How will you change?
What will be different?
What is missing?

Throughout this exploration I would like you to answer all questions that I have written in blue text. Please answer all questions even if I miss using the blue text.

Please answer questions individually, remembering to use the quote function to highlight the question being answered.

Below is a link to the video with instructions on using the Quote Function. Please watch it. Use the PREVIEW button to make sure your text looks right before you hit "SUBMIT."

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=660

What would you like for me to call you? What time zone are you in, please?

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

Also watch these, please:

https://youtu.be/vJQcD588g2w

and

https://youtu.be/PUDzrCLlrj4

What you're experiencing is expected & may come & go for years.

Loving,

[Theon]

Hi Stacy!

I watched the videos. I have not cried and cried and sobbed and sobbed as much in more than 2 decades watching Ilona's Falling video. I am finally coming home after so many decades wandering out in the wilderness...so grateful to join you all around this warm campfire.

How will life change?

Life won't change at all. It is always exactly as it's meant to be. The person that was me will be put down.

How will you change?

My ego will be put down, metaphorically speaking, I will be set free, and all the dreams that I've always had of flying for so many years will finally make sense, in every fibre of my being, not just intellectually.

I feel like seeking, the whole effort to be oneself, can sometimes, paradoxically be a selfish, self-indulgent endeavour. I don't want it to be like that. I want to free myself and give of myself.

What will be different?

Nothing. Everything. I will be emptied out and filled again. My work, life and family will all go on completely as per normal, or maybe they won't, but you know what I mean: the universe will just keep unfolding as it does.

What is missing?

Right now I feel like nothing is missing. Rather, I feel like not enough is missing. I do want there to be even more of me missing and let go of, and so feel some lack there. I keep crying and letting more sorrow out for the joy to flow in...

What would you like for me to call you? What time zone are you in, please?

I've sent you a private email :-)

[Anastacia42]

We have some traditional "final" questions that you can try. At the least it will help us see what you may not understand, yet.

Try these. Be complete, but succinct, please


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Much love,

[Theon]

Thanks Stacy!

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No, not ever, I've clearly seen through the illusion of self. Nada, nothing. It's an hilarious, very tricky and clever sham. All there is, is life. I'm looking at a tree outside my window right now, and feeling connected to it, feeling its energy, I feel its life force is the same thing as mine.

Throughout today, I've still felt the self arising at times, but each time it's been followed by insight into no-self again. From the videos you showed me, this see-sawing is quite normal and may go on for some time. I have caught the ego trying to play some very devious tricks on me to get me back on its side, especially using rational thought and doubt, and I had a good chuckle about that, once I saw that both me and the trickster are not even real.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

My very first real memory of self (not captured from family photos etc) was falling from a swing onto a dried grass bed covered in thorns, wearing nothing but a nappy, when I was about 18 months old. This painful experience is aptly my very first experience/memory of both self and suffering as an independent being. It's the beginning of the story of me, and it taught me that the two go hand in hand.

The self and ego are just self-referential thoughts piled upon more self-referential thoughts. Their energy makes their own distinct whirlpool-like, self reflective pattern on the ocean of life's energy. This is what we call the self, and how it is formed. It's not a real thing, it's a pattern of thoughts, that is taken by other thoughts to be real. Of course, if you're just a thought, it understandable that, to it, other thoughts would look real.

I can observe the feeling of a contraction in my mind, body or chest, and then the "selfing" thought arising by itself, and then another selfing thought immediately coming in and reacting to that, and so the illusion goes and builds itself.

Right now, as these thoughts roll in, I am practising just letting thoughts and feelings come in if they want, not resisting them, letting them hang around if they want or if they feel sticky, but also then dropping them as soon as they're recognised as such, without further reflection.

Prior to seeing through the Gate, I'd already reached the point of being able to reach and remain in a thoughtless state for long periods of time. I don't do meditation formally, but I read enough Zen to get the hang of that. Being in a thoughtless state is not at all like seeing through the illusion of self, but I suspect it helps by stopping the mind get in the way of seeing and being.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

I have cried and cried and laughed and cried and cried today, more than I have in all the last two decades put together. It's been quite a day, as have the last few days. I feel good, at peace, a little sad, excited, quite tired and emotionally emptied (not drained) in a good way.

The last few weeks I had reached fever pitch in seeking: non-stop reading about non-duality and how to awaken, with self-inquiry. I had a very tight ball in my chest and was anxious a lot of the time, as well as excited, feeling progress. I felt I had already stopped suffering apart from the seeking itself, which I had felt was the last form of suffering to overcome. Now that fever is gone. There is still adrenalin and excitement, but I will sleep much better tonight.

Then, the next day after I went through the Gate, I felt like a separate self again and felt fear around my chest. I examined the fear a bit and joined this forum with my OP. Then the rest has just unfolded: this thread, the videos you shared, out came all the tears and now the fear and tension around my heart is gone. The fear was built by the self: it had built a defensive wall around my heart to keep the feelings in. It lost that round. :-)

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

The very last bit was this pointer from the LU Enlightening Quotes app.: "The whole thing is as simple as this: There is no "I". There is just what's going on, here and now."

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

A decision is a thought that just arises naturally; I notice it and then act on it. If there is uncertainty or indecision, then there is waiting for that resolve to itself, rather than trying to force the decision. I've learned long ago that indecision is there for a reason, and just to wait it out, it's all part of life's wisdom.

If the thought comes that I want a coffee, I decide to go and get a coffee. Last month, my wife, son and mother in law were all telling me I drink way too much coffee and am addicted. I thought about it, but didn't cut down. Then a few weeks later I decided to visit a naturopath and holistic healer, who told me too much coffee had affected my nervous system and energy. The next day I quit coffee cold turkey and then have since cut back to only one a day for the past ten days. All this stuff, including decisions in my work, just happens without angst.

I have stopped making decisions in an egoic sense several years ago. Very lucky to live in flow state in many aspects of life, but hadn't until now made the link between that and there being absolutely, drastically no self. The ego had still subconsciously appropriated and attributed the flow state to a "Me" being in the flow.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Intention is a type of thought or desire before an actual decision is made to act on the thought. If thoughts, intentions or desires conflict, there is uncertainty or anxiety. These thoughts then either get dropped or examined further. The intention may then become a decision and be acted upon, or not.

Intention can also be a wish for something in the future to happen. The mind, upon forming such an intention, rather than just letting the intention float in and float out, can grab hold of it, and then run away on itself with a whole host of thoughts on how to make that wish come true in the future. This is a futile and unproductive exercise that only serves to create suffering and draw our energy and focus away from the present.

I have been possessed of late by only the seeker's intention to get "enlightened". I never grasped it too tightly and trusted Angelo DiLullo's book, Awake, when he just said give yourself time, trust the process and let it happen. It's all unfolded by itself.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

What we call free will can manifest from there being a strong, egoic sense of "I", the individual. The person tells themselves they are a person and that therefore they can choose what to do in life. All of our society and our parents teach us from a very young age that we are individuals, responsible for our choices. In reality, without the person knowing, they are instead being acted upon by life. If life corresponds with what they choose, they think they are lucky and they think they are happy. If life does differently, they may feel sad, suffering, cheated, angry, anxious or depressed.

I have often been in this mindset in my life. I always believed in God, so I set up a duality between me, the individual, who believed I was doing things and making important choices about my life, my marriage and my career, and then I prayed to, and believed in, God, that He would also think it was the right choice for me. Non-duality teachers are not at all kidding when they teach that this whole schizophrenic set-up takes up a lot of energy, and causes suffering, as it did in my case. I'm crying and laughing again. Much easier just to let go and go with the flow.

It's time for bed now, I'll come back and answer the remaining questions tomorrow or the next day.

[Anastacia42]

So far, so good.

The fear was built by the self: it had built a defensive wall around my heart to keep the feelings in. It lost that round. :-)

Watch things like this. Since there's no "self" how did any of this happen?

Once you answer those last few questions, you answers will be shared with other guides, who may have questions.

Sleep well! It's 6:30 am here.

Much love,

[Theon]

Hi Stacey!

I hope you've had an excellent couple of days. Thank you for your comment, which I've reflected on examined against my experience inside and come to some insights; none of what I described is real of course.

Yesterday was another tear and laughter inducing day, which I want to share with you first. Who knows, it may be of use to someone to read it.

I spent the day working and by the late afternoon, all my thoughts were running, the veil of Me had well and truly come back over. I felt like I was me again and that I had lost what is real. In case anyone has read Zen, what is real is called Satori, a shift in perception that happens to be the Gateless Gate and where all concepts cease having any direct meaning. Want to be one with the universe there? Want to love and feel deeply? End suffering? All of that and more is available, and it's real.

I was a bit disappointed and thought I'd lost all of this. Doubt thoughts crept in, like, "Am I really ready for this? Maybe I have more work to do on myself, maybe it will be years until it comes back. I mean, many people spend a decade or more in a quiet monastery without permanently achieving satori and I'm just someone who's had a more normal life and I have to do a job that involves thinking all the time. Liberation Unleashed is great and all, but maybe it doesn't really help normal people to achieve full enlightenment, but only gives them a glimpse to get them on their way, maybe I'll have to read more books and do more seeking..." Then, of course, I felt the seeking and yearning feeling and tension start coming back into my body. All the while, I listened to another little voice in my head which knew, and told me, that these thoughts were all fake doubts.

Then, I reasoned that I had already had several brief glimpses of satori, beyond the Gate, in the past, including one many years ago when I was younger, and I saw that one of the main reasons I had "lost it" each time, or failed to come back, was precisely because I had let the seeking/yearning (and these thoughts) become my reality, as if I believed that there was something to come back to.

I told myself I cannot attain this by grasping for it. The only way one can "get it" is by truly letting go. So then I truly let go and the thoughts came: "You know what, even if it doesn't come back for years, it truly doesn't matter. I'm happy and content with the progress I've made, happier than I've been for a long time. I don't desire anything different. This time round I am just going to be content, because I am, and I feel life is teaching me what I need to be taught. Maybe I will be the Gate-crosser-back-outerer for a while, and that's OK." Acceptance came.

Then, sure enough, less than an hour later, I was reading pointers in the LU Enlightening Quotes app and did the following inquiry from it, while sitting in a crowded restaurant waiting for friends to arrive:

"How does your "I" work? Where did it come from? Is it the same "I" you were then years ago? [the answer is yes, btw] Where does it reside? Shift attention to seeing what is true about the sense of "you". Stay focused as much as possible on investigating "you-ness". Look now in your experience, and keep looking, at what "me" or "I" is, and relate what you see here. Really stay one pointed on that specific process."

Then...the shift came...back through the Gate. Yippee! I was now the Gate-crosser-backouterer-crossbacker-again. :-)

So, in case people wonder whether you can really still work a normal busy job and stay in this state, or come back to it easily if ever you feel you've lost it, the answer is definitely, "Yes". The universe is just flow, including your work and whatever is going on in your life.

I also wrote this reformulation of a pointer, in case it helps someone who chances across it:

STOP THINKING THAT WHAT YOU FEEL TO BE YOUR SELF IS JUST YOUR BODY/EGO!! That part of you which you feel most to be yourself, which you think is your ego and which has the seeking and suffering, is actually the Most Real part of you and is itself that which you are looking for. It's right in front of your face. You just have to SEE IT!! See what is real, and drop what is not real.

Now, to the last questions:

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

As I wrote in my last post about free will, choices are something that we think we make when we have the false sense of being a separate individual. We don't make any choices in reality.

It might be said that the Universe make choices, but that is not totally true either. Rather there is just choice happening. The only thing that we might say is true and permanent is change itself. Change creates the illusion of choice when it happens in the body/mind...

There are no choices here anymore. No me. There is only what the Universe wants. Fortunately the Universe still wants me to work, to help my clients in my work, to spend time laughing and playing with my son, to love my son and wife and family, to catch up with friends and have great conversations, to exercise...

Describe control & give examples from experience.

There's no control. Being through the Gate is the opposite of control. I still discipline my son and tell him off when I need to, I still "control" our pet cat by keeping him confined to our yard and house, but it just happens.

A more personal example for me is control when it becomes jealousy, in a relationship. Due to my past baggage and traumas, until very recently, I used to get jealous and insecure when my wife went out with her friends at night. I would be left at home looking after our son and, despite trying so hard not to, part of me would still be simmering, worried, insecure and suffering, despite also knowing that my wife is the love of my life, and that we are both completely faithful to each other. I would try to break the suffering by telling myself that if she wanted to be free, then of course she could be free. I would never take it out on my wife but, she is an Empath, who takes all feelings to be as if they are vocally broadcast to her, so she would still feel the undertones which I tried so hard to hide from her, and she would then get frustrated and tell me I was being controlling. This was so funny in retrospect, as at one level I felt I was always guilty without charge, but at a deeper level I knew she was right, and pointing to the truth.

I have realised that even saying to myself, "She can be free if she wants to", is subtly just another form of control because I am putting her in the box of someone who may want to be free, from me. In truth, there is no me for her to be free from and I know she doesn't even think in any of these terms, it was all just my projection. True freedom is leaving all this behind. Letting life be life, and love be love. Last night she happened to be out with friends, and so I just messaged her, "Love you babe, hope you're having a great time. Enjoy yourself", and she liked it. That was it, all else was dropped. No more insecure thought trains. Just mutual love and affection. Afterwards, my wife and I happily chatted to each other with none of the former dynamic.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

This may sound philosophical, but I promise it is from my actual, direct, perceived experience, that I once saw with my eyes, before the normal world came back:

Everything is love. All there is, is one infinite and whole expanse of love, which expresses itself as light, energy, being, warmth and energy. Because it is alive with its own love, it is constantly moving, expanding and folding back within itself, expressing its completeness and its wholeness. All of the universe, including all of us, are that. This is what all of creation is and it's life itself. It's our minds, which are themselves part of this creation, that bring the impression of this universe into being, but underlying it all, inside of it all, our essence of unfolding light and love never changes. Everything truly is one. And as that one is love, everything is perfect and is exactly as it's meant to be. [Drumroll questions about suffering and death from seekers....lol] [And btw, I saw all this without any drugs...know it's possible... and know too that some drugs, in moderation, even alcohol, can help the mind relax into these temporary states, if it's ready]

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

I feel responsible right now to maintain this state I have started to settle into. Of course, I know now that 'I' need do nothing in particular and it will maintain itself.

I feel responsible to let my heart unfold, to give expression to the love inside me and let it be expressed in any way it wishes.

Last night, I was walking back home and passed a busy, local restaurant. We live in a good suburb where people are generally happy and well-off. The restaurant was beautiful, with glowing lights in the darkness and silhouettes of all the diners there, and the lights, and sound of everyone happily talking and laughing enveloped it like a warm embrace. It was beautiful. I reflected on what a wonder life is and humans especially are: many of these people were no doubt still stressed and thinking that they were separate individuals, with their own lives separate from life. Though having a good time on a Friday night, I knew that they are all still busy in their lives, working hard, paying bills, having stresses in their families, marriages and careers. All I could think though was how perfect this scene was, and how perfect all these people are, even if they don't know it themselves. If I had gone in there, and listened to their conversations, I know that many of them would have been talking about things that are not even real. They would have been talking about their issues at work, gossiping, about their houses and whether property prices were going up or down.

But all I could think was that they were Heaven itself, that this scene and the people in it, were living and breathing perfection. All people are: the greatest treasure, more valuable than anything else, is inside of them, and yet they often can't see it. Then the realisation came to me, subtly, that this is why people who are "enlightened" often have this calling and desire to help others, and not just any others, not just people who are so obviously already happy and well-off (although it's perfect to help them too), but there is often this drive that appears, as enlightenment deepens, to seek out the poor or needy and help those who "need it most". The reason people feel this way is because the less people have in life, and the less we have too, the clearer and easier it is to see and experience who we all really are, which is perfection. Being close to this can be like living in Heaven itself. In our society, we all get apartments, houses, desks, cubicles, cars... and we spend our time working very hard to separate ourselves, to be individuals, and to be apart, which only takes us away from what is Real.

Anything to add?

Thank you Stacey and Ilona. Here I am crying and laughing again. Crying and sobbing now because the love can sometimes be too much to bear. I'm so happy and grateful. It's been such a long journey and, like it is for almost all of us, so tough and painful at times. I cannot express any more of what I'm feeling right now but gratitude and wanting to hug everyone. It's morning here, time to go out and enjoy the day!

[Anastacia42]

Hi Theon,

First, these threads are archived & likely no one will see your stories. I suggest you copy them for yourself somewhere else.

(Right now, they're just getting in the way of finding your succinct answers to the 6 "final" questions.)

Your answers will be shared with other guides who may have questions.

Much love,

[Theon]

First, these threads are archived & likely no one will see your stories. I suggest you copy them for yourself somewhere else.

Thanks Stacy. I won’t be copying them as they are just stories…nice to get it all out though…

[Anastacia42]

Another guide wants to know

However he then says “I feel responsible to let my heart unfold” This gives rise to wondering whether there still is a lingering belief about the “I” having responsibility.

Could you ask Theon to tell us about this feeling of responsibility?

Thanks,

[Theon]

Could you ask Theon to tell us about this feeling of responsibility?

Hi Stacy, yes, I’m looking at that thought now and unpacking it.

I’ve seen it’s just a way of dressing up and over-conceptualizing a feeling of being drawn in by love. I know there’s no-one to be responsible for anything anymore, and if my body/mind behaves “responsibly” or behaves “irresponsibly” by itself, none of that will change anything.

Another way of looking at it: if we say someone is “responsible” for something, it just means the person is drawn to it and then they observe it, then they might act upon it and help it grow: like being a gardener. It’s part of the normal ebb and flow of life, and the work and responsibility can all happen naturally and without effort, though everyone else might say how hard the gardener works to look after their garden. So the statement means that there is literally a feeling here of the body/mind being drawn into my heart and that there’s some kind of work going on here. The heart is just a metaphor for love.

It’s very true that in the past I have indeed suffered by feeling so responsible for so much, judging myself, which may be why that type of language persists, but that’s not happening now. It’s no longer meant in a judgmental way as if there’s an “I” who should be judged responsible for anything.

Hth.

[Anastacia42]

Yes, very good. Our conversation is complete. You'll receive a PM here with more information.

We have 3 sets of teleconferences that you may want to attend for further clarity.


There are 3 meetings & a set of 5 videos you're invited to attend:

Thursday Meetings.

Hi Guys,

we are Luchana & Lubo, guides at LU.

Here is an invitation for you:

Join us each Thursday, 6 pm CET, UTC+1
and let's explore together what is already here.
Let's enjoy together this beauty called Life
MEETINGS ARE ON ZOOM and LIVE on youtube.

To participate in the meetings, send a request to luchanauzunova@gmail.com

You will receive an e-mail confirming your participation and a link to join.

Looking forward to seeing YOU!
Luchana & Lubo
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(videos)

Hi everyone.

Starting on 15th of October for 5 weeks I will post a new video of guiding sessions we had with Jim.
Here is a link to the first one.

https://youtu.be/gb6FwZ6PlI4

Liberation Unleashed Direct Pointing - The Gateless Gate

Ilona

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Loving,

[Theon]

You’re lovely. Thank you Stacy 🙏