Lynne’s

[Seekinglynne]

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
There is no separate me, the me I believe me to be is an image.

What are you looking for at LU?
Guidance. I’ve read so many spiritual books. Although I know/understand there is no separate me, it’s not always my experience. I’d like help for when I struggle to find answers. It would be so helpful to talk to someone about questions I have

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
I feel like in many ways I am at the gateless gate but I can’t find my way through. I’d like some guidance and help to point me in the right direction and show me the way. When I have questions I often feel like giving up but then I still carry on seeing.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
I’m64. Went to Sunday school as a child, became a born again Christian in my 30s. Became disillusioned. Then found Eckhart Tolle and Byron Katie about 7 years ago and since then have read numerous books and listened to many spiritual/non duality teachers. But I feel like I’m standing in a strong wind with my arms open but when I grasp it there’s nothing there. I get confused.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
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[Anastacia42]

Hi Lynne,


My name is Stacy and I can be your guide, if you would like. I'm 62.

The Work of Byron Katie is one of the best tools on the planet.

One thing I want to make very clear up front is that with me, you must post every day. If you know yourself and your schedule are such that you cannot do this, tell me, "no," and someone else can guide you, please.

Yes, if once in a while you must post later, please post a note telling me when you will return.

If you know yourself to be a skeptical person, prone to doubt, I may not be the best guide for you. I never had any doubt. I can connect you with one of our other guides who did & who can guide you better than I.

If you haven't already read the disclaimer, please read it now and just confirm to me that you have read it. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/disclaimer-2/

Also please read “Liberation Unleashed is not …” in the FAQ’s of LU. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/#faq-1041

Some housekeeping guidelines:

1. Post at least once a day, or every second day. If you need more time, or are unable to post for several days, just write a quick post on your thread to let me know please.

2. There is no one judging answers given, so please be 100% honest in your answers and inquiry.

3. This exploration is based on actual experience (AE) - smell, taste, sound, sensation, color and observed thoughts. Long-winded analytical and philosophical answers are best avoided and may even hinder progress. This is not a self-improvement process. There is no ‘self’ to improve.

4. Put aside all other teachings, philosophies, rituals, practices, books/reading and so on for the remainder of this investigation. Really put all your effort and attention in to seeing this reality, as it is. If you have a daily meditation practice, it is fine to continue that but is not necessary for this exploration.

Technology is not perfect and sometimes there is a glitch which can wipe out your responses. It is advisable that you copy and paste questions asked into Word, answer them there and then copy and paste them to your thread. Always save a copy of what you have done, it will save time in the long run!

To begin with, so that we both become aware of what your expectations are about this exploration. In your own words (not from actual experience, but just honest answers), could you please answer the 4 following questions:

How will life change?
How will you change?
What will be different?
What is missing?

Throughout this exploration I would like you to answer all questions that I have written in blue text. Please answer all questions even if I miss using the blue text.

Please answer questions individually, remembering to use the quote function to highlight the question being answered.

Below is a link to the video with instructions on using the Quote Function. Please watch it. Use the PREVIEW button to make sure your text looks right before you hit "SUBMIT."

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=660

What would you like for me to call you? What time zone are you in, please?

Loving,

~ Stacy

[Anastacia42]

Please take a look at this, too.

https://youtu.be/wyNwhK2Ur1c


Much love,

[Seekinglynne]

Hi Stacey

Thank you so much for being willing to be my guide. Please call me Lynne.. Yes, I can respond every day and If for some reason I can’t Ill let you know. I am committed to seeing this through. I have only just picked up your message so my answers tonight are quite rushed...

How will life change?

Not sure life will change, life – what is happening, is what is, but I think what will change is my/the view of life (paradigm shift?)

How will you change?

I think/hope I will see through the non existent you/me I believe in, so I will see there is no you to change. What will change is the perception or projection of what is happening. The “you” will fall away. I want to see clearly. I am searching for the truth. How will life be with no “I”?

What will be different?

The imagined barriers I have will be broken through so that I see what is true. It will be constant not just glimpses/moments.

What is miss?

Not sure I will miss anything. Im scared though. When I am on my own I can see there is no separate me. But when I interact with others (family/friends) I feel separate again. How will life be with others, I know there are no others but when I am with people, I feel separate.

I'll have a look at the youtube clip now but wanted to get my answers posted. Thank you again.

Lynne
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[Anastacia42]

Thanks, Lynne.

What timezone are you in?

It will not be constant seeing. You'll always go in & out. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Watch this, please:

https://youtu.be/vJQcD588g2w

and

https://youtu.be/PUDzrCLlrj4

Now, what comes up when is read there is no self, never has been and never will be?

This is good for dealing with fear:

https://youtu.be/jKX1llYtlKE

Loving,

[Seekinglynne]

Hi Stacey

what timezone are you

My timezone is GMT. What timezone are you? Is there a best time for me to post?

Thank you for the video suggestions.

“Looking with honesty” is exactly what I want to do, it’s such a powerful desire within me.

Falling video - this was a really helpful thank you. “Simply being is the answer to all questions” Yes, but there are still times when I find it hard to simply be, my mind spins out and I feel I can’t tame it. I feel lost. I had thought that the me would drop away and I would know there is no me and that would be it. I just wonder when there will be no more questions? I think I need to experience it rather than thinking about it and trying to understand it.

Core beliefs: yes, I have been doing a lot of work on core beliefs. There have been times when I have had huge ahaha moments and feel I have made major breakthroughs. But again, not permanent. Strong core beliefs can’t still hook me back into the fearful little me. Can you stay absolutely sure of anything?

Dealing with Fear Meditation. Yes, a good video. I actually did listen to this video the other day. Xx

Now, what comes up when is read there is no self, never has been and never will be?

Yes, when I look deeply, I believe it’s true there is no self, never has been and never will be, until something happens and then there is a self again!! Lather rinse repeat. I guess that’s what we’re doing here, looking deeply to know for sure that there is no self?
I was reading one of your other threads about Imagining rather than experiencing. And that’s how I feel. It feels safer to imagine what it will be like rather than experiencing fully if that makes sense. A bit like not jumping off the cliff but imagining what it would be like is much safer.

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[Anastacia42]

Good morning, Lynne,

I'm near Boulder, Colorado in US Mountain Time. The beauty of a forum is that you can post 24/7 and I can read it next time I sit down to reply.

I need to experience it rather than thinking about it and trying to understand it.

Yes! That's the point of Colored Socks, see below. Focus ONLY on Direct Experience.


This is how to LOOK for no self in the exercises - we call them "pointers' - that we will be doing here:

Colored Socks

There is a big difference between knowing that there is nothing to give up and seeing that there is nothing to give up.

Here is an example to illustrate the difference:

If I ask you what color socks you are wearing right now you have two ways to come up with an answer:

• You can think about it, you can think back to this morning and try to remember putting your socks on, and you can probably tell me what color you think they are.

• Alternatively, you can take a quick look at your socks and tell me what color they actually are!

Hopefully you would agree that you can only be 100% certain by looking.

For the purpose of seeing this "no self" idea, it is very important that you are clear about this difference.

Knowing is about knowledge which is all in the mind and we are not interested in that

We are only interested in looking at and seeing what is actually going on in your present moment-to-moment experience. We are only interested in your Direct Experience in the moment..

Direct or Actual Experience is

Seeing
Hearing
Feeling (Sensation, not emotion. Emotion is Sensation plus made-up thoughts & labels)
Tasting
Smelling
Thoughts Arising (but not their content)

Please let me know if you are clear about this or if you would like any further clarification.

It feels safer to imagine what it will be like rather than experiencing fully if that makes sense. A bit like not jumping off the cliff but imagining what it would be like is much safer.

Where is the danger? There is already no self. What could be dangerous?

I suggest you read "Gateless Gatecrashers" from the Resources, Books link on this page.

Loving,

[Seekinglynne]

Hello Stacy

Thank you for the Colored Socks exercise.

Please let me know if you are clear about this or if you would like any further clarification.

Yes, that’s clear, I can absolutely know for sure what is real, what can be known through my sense perceptions. Everything else is imagination, not real. That’s true.

Where is the danger? There is already no self. What could be dangerous?

Mmm this is tricky. I can see the danger I feel is not “real”. I guess there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Fear of an imagined future.
There is a fear of letting go of control.

I suggest you read "Gateless Gatecrashers"

I’ve got the Gateless Gatecrashers and Liberation Unleashed. I decided to start on Liberation Unleashed first, Im about halfway through and have dipped into the end sections but got stuck which is why I joined the forum. Do you think I should read Gateless Gatecrashers first?

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[Anastacia42]

Hi

I'll reply later. Meanwhile, this meeting started 25 minutes ago & I'm going to check in & see if any of my clients are there.

You're invited. Don't worry. They go for about 2 hours!

Vince's meeting

Zoom meetups

Meet up with vince (For LU seekers & guides)

Monday August 14

5am Sydney (est) Australia
Every 2 weeks after that.

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86991485768?p ... 12Um5DQT09

Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

Let him know if you want email reminders.

[Anastacia42]

This one happens on Thursdays.

Thursday Meetings.

Hi Guys,

we are Luchana & Lubo, guides at LU.

Here is an invitation for you:

Join us each Thursday, 6 pm CET, UTC+1
and let's explore together what is already here.
Let's enjoy together this beauty called Life
MEETINGS ARE ON ZOOM and LIVE on youtube.

To participate in the meetings, send a request to luchanauzunova@gmail.com
You will receive an e-mail confirming your participation and a link to join.

Looking forward to seeing YOU!
Luchana & Lubo

[Anastacia42]

Ilona's Meetings

Next group meeting on Zoom is on the 4th of September. (There was one October 9. Not sure when next one is. )

To register send Ilona an email to

admin@ilonaciunaite.com

Looking forward :)

[Anastacia42]

And then this. It's video.

Hi everyone.

Starting on 15th of October for 5 weeks I will post a new video of guiding sessions we had with Jim.
Here is a link to the first one.

https://youtu.be/gb6FwZ6PlI4

Liberation Unleashed Direct Pointing - The Gateless Gate

Ilona

[Anastacia42]

Hi again,

It doesn't matter which you read first. They both contain actual conversations where someone SAW.

Look for the shift, the point at which the client sees.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

Oh, and the fear?

I guess there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Fear of an imagined future.
There is a fear of letting go of control.

There's a video on looking past the fear. But I've given you a lot.

https://youtu.be/jKX1llYtlKE

I'll give you the next pointer after you've had a little time with all of this.

Loving,

[Seekinglynne]

Hi Stacy

Thank you for the messages about the various

zoom meetings

. I’ll put the dates in my diary but unfortunately, the evenings aren’t the best time for me to be able to sit down to a zoom meeting.

I am watching Ilona’s sessions with Jim live on YouTube. There have been two so far and I’m looking forward to the next one.

I watched the

video meditation on Letting Go of Fear

, thanks. It reminds me of IFS (internal family systems) speaking to the various parts and protectors. I see the fear is trying to protect my inner child from feeling hurt, I tell it thank you and it is not really helping and that it can relax. I can hold my inner child and tell it, its ok. I look behind to see what’s there and I can see the spaciousness. But it’s like we’re all still there - me, the inner child, the fear that is trying to protect the inner child, in the spaciousness. It just doesn’t feel like anything has changed. Perhaps when we’ve done more work and i see there is no me to protect, to feel safe, there will be no need for the fear - no one to protect, no one to feel frightened or not safe.

I’ve been thinking a lot about your question

What is the danger?

I do see that it’s all just a story and it is the story that is causing me the stress. I still struggle to let go. Everything changes and I do let go eventually but the really sticky thoughts and beliefs, even identifying what they are, can be hard to crack. This questioning is really helping though, thank you Stacy, it really is amazing of you to help me like this. Thank you again

Meanwhile I’ll carry on reading the books.

Lynne
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