Non duality_ no seeker

[Headlesspov]

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
I understand that there is no separate entity behind the experience, or a real person having an experience. There is only the experience of seeing, touching, hearing, smelling etc. You are the experience and not the experiencer. There is no locus of attention inside your head.
There is no separate thing from consciousness.

What are you looking for at LU?
I have had some glimpses of non duality through meditation and ordinary daily life. However I am looking for clear direct pointing exercise that can help me see this more clearly, and to rest as long as possible.
I do feel like this undefined open space, but I do often fell into the habit of subject and object difference. I do still sometimes feel like I am outside having an experience, and not the experience itself. I do hope you can help me with more practical tools to see this more clear that I have managed until now. I guess I often try to understand the non duality through thinking about it, and not by having a direct experience. I have had some glimpses, but I want to see if I am right track. Even though I no there is no track, or any progress within my natural essence of being

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
I hope it can clear any confusions I might have, and also help from guides to see I am on '' right track''
I have had glimpses that it so clear, but then my ego can still play with it, and make me questions some things.
I do hope it all make sense :)

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
I started in February 2019 with daily short meditations, and I am a big fan of Sam Harris app - Waking up.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
11

[Lubo]

Hi there,
Welcome to the forum.

My name is Lubo and I can walk with you for a while, if you are OK?
What name you prefer to call you?

I do hope you can help me with more practical tools to see this more clear

Thanks for this. The best practical tool is looking but not believing thoughts stories.
Here it is the question where to look:
Where is the character Me?
What the character looks like? - not what is its body looks like but what is it looks like?

Love
Lubo

[Headlesspov]

Hi Lubo,

thanks, I appreciate the that we can walk together for a while.
You can call me '' Rasmus '' as this is my actual name.

Thanks for this. The best practical tool is looking but not believing thoughts stories.

Thanks, I do want to be better at looking directly, instead of trying to understand it intellectually, and by thinking

Where is the character Me?

Its nowhere, when I look directly I see empty space. The character ''me' is made by thoughts about past, present and future.

What the character looks like? - not what is its body looks like but what is it looks like?

It looks like an image of me, walking around, interacting with the world and people around me. I have seen myself in a mirror, and that imagine follow me around.

I do feel like subject in my head sometimes. I sometimes feel that the '' I am '' is having an experience.

[Lubo]

Hi Rasmus,
You are done! :)
Because of this:

Where is the character Me?

Its nowhere, when I look directly I see empty space. The character ''me' is made by thoughts about past, present and future.

Is this really seen or is it read somewhere?
Can something be found that is not story/thoughts/explanations?
Me=empty space or there is no me?
When Santa is searched is he an empty space?

So, is there an you/me at all?

Love
Lubo

[Headlesspov]

Hi Lubo,
Thanks for helping me!

Is this really seen or is it read somewhere?

This is seen directly, I sometimes feel aliveness. But sometimes it pop back into my head and trying to think it and understand it, if this make sense? I guess I am trying to stabilizing it.

Can something be found that is not story/thoughts/explanations?

It’s hard to put into words, but when not going to thoughts, but simply feeling with what is, then I fell an openness and spaciousness. But after few seconds I still fell like I am inside my head.

Me=empty space or there is no me?

This is where I need guidance. The “ I” fell like empty space, when thought, emotion and sounds appear then it’s vanish quick. Sometimes I still fell that I am observing this, instead of feeling into directly. So I still go back to some kind of duality.

When Santa is searched is he an empty space?

Santa is not empty space, but an imagination. We still need the empty space for things to manifest itself?

So, is there an you/me at all?

If I meet with you in person, looking at you. I would say that you appear in my empty space, but I don’t see myself in direct experience. But there is no you and me controlling the experience.

Love
Rasmus

[Lubo]

Hi Rasmus,

Thanks for helping me!

It is pleasure to walk with you, thank you.

This is seen directly, I sometimes feel aliveness. But sometimes it pop back into my head and trying to think it and understand it, if this make sense? I guess I am trying to stabilizing it

The I here who is trying to think and stabilizing doesn't exist. This I is just judged thoughts against what appears.
My question was - is there an you or there are thoughts only?

Let's look thoughts:

But sometimes it pop back into my head and trying to think it and understand it...But after few seconds I still fell like I am inside my head.
,

What colours are thoughts?
Even "the blackest" one?
The illusion is that thoughts are substance, more important from the rest of What is.
But notice How something transparent can be located? - In my head...Send me the picture how thoughts are in the head?
Colours, form, smell, taste of thoughts? Can thoughts be touched?
How can be localised something that is invisible, without a substance?

Look whole day trough the thoughts and finally find what reality is?

Me=empty space or there is no me?
This is where I need guidance. The “ I” fell like empty space, when thought, emotion and sounds appear then it’s vanish quick. Sometimes I still fell that I am observing this, instead of feeling into directly. So I still go back to some kind of duality.

I wants to survive as something more special - empty space. But I is Santa.
Can you notice that I again wants to escape from This - What is?
Meet row truth - I is not special, life is not here to fulfilled its desires. I is fictional, doesn't exist at all and cannot avoid This-What is.
There is no you at any shape, form or empty space.

Look trough thoughts and this nightmare I, me will disappear...for a while :)

What is coming when you read this?


Love
Lubo

[Headlesspov]

Hi Lubo,

thank you for the pointers.

The I here who is trying to think and stabilizing doesn't exist. This I is just judged thoughts against what appears.
My question was - is there an you or there are thoughts only?

There are only thoughts appearing, but there is knowing of the thoughts right - '' An experience to be known'' What is the knowing? I recognize the thought, smell or sound. It just appear, without an ''I'' to control it, but there is a knowing of the experience right?

What colours are thoughts?

I dont find any colours to the thoughts, but more moods/emtions

Even "the blackest" one?

The darkest ones are identified with fear or sadness

The illusion is that thoughts are substance, more important from the rest of What is.
But notice How something transparent can be located? - In my head...Send me the picture how thoughts are in the head?

They appear like soap bubbles, or the I imagine this in my mind :) again a imagination

Colours, form, smell, taste of thoughts? Can thoughts be touched?

Cannot be touched no

How can be localised something that is invisible, without a substance?

I guess these is no center to the experience, but since I am a human being with a body :). I fell like this is appearing inside me, generated by the brain.

Can you notice that I again wants to escape from This - What is?

Yes it wants to escape and change the '' what is''

Meet row truth - I is not special, life is not here to fulfilled its desires. I is fictional, doesn't exist at all and cannot avoid This-What is.
There is no you at any shape, form or empty space.

But what is this knowing as experience? For example sound appear suddenly in the experience and is instantly know?

Love Rasmus

[Lubo]

Hi Rasmus,
ОК
Knowing - Why is it necessary to have an identification with something that appears by itself?

I guess these is no center to the experience, but since I am a human being with a body :). I fell like this is appearing inside me, generated by the brain.

Which one is a human? Is there a human in the human?
Or human is just a label for human body? Why someone must be human? Who is a cat or a bird?

Love
Lubo

[Headlesspov]

Hi Lubo,

Knowing - Why is it necessary to have an identification with something that appears by itself?

I guess its not necessary, but if you don't recognize thoughts appearing.... Then I can easily get caught in the thought loop habit. There is an knowing, attention or awareness, I dont know what we should call it, but this nature is immediately knowing thoughts, smells, sights and sounds. I guess we can call it the screen, where '' the imagination story'' appear. I hope it makes sense, what I am trying to explain here :)

Which one is a human? Is there a human in the human?

No there is no human inside a human, but there is a label we call human. I am labelling myself as human, the body, brain, hands, legs and so on.

Or human is just a label for human body? Why someone must be human? Who is a cat or a bird?

I do understand now human is label, but its still a term I use to differentiate from a cat or a bird. I cannot fly as a bird, and cannot spin as cat. There is no who behind the car or bird. Cats are cats, doing what they do.

Love Rasmus

[Lubo]

I am labelling myself as human,

Where is the I which is human?
Pin a point in the body?

[Headlesspov]

Where is the I which is human?

I cant find it

Pin a point in the body?

There is no point in the body, its a mix of everything that makes me human. There no point I can point to.

[Headlesspov]

Sorry forgot to reply on this earlier.

Look trough thoughts and this nightmare I, me will disappear...for a while :)

What is coming when you read this?

Yes when looking at thoughts they disappear, but then another thought is coming. There is a relief in between the thoughts, but the I keeps coming back, saying hey I am still here

[Lubo]

Where is the I which is human?

I cant find it

Yes, because something wich is thoughts - imagination doesn't exist and cannot be found :)

Yes when looking at thoughts they disappear, but then another thought is coming. There is a relief in between the thoughts, but the I keeps coming back, saying hey I am still here

Let's put this story:
The thoughts are on drugs.
The drug has the effect of affecting the thoughts and they begin to produce a story about the Self.
Thoughts begin to hallucinate.
The solution is simple.
Look with wide open eyes at what reality is
and notice, little by little, how the labels and story I, are coming by itself - by drug effect .
Only that.
Everything will begin to fall away by itself.
Just write what how it happens and you will get support.
Start with simple things from everyday life.

Much love
Lubo

[Headlesspov]

Everything will begin to fall away by itself.
Just write what how it happens and you will get support.
Start with simple things from everyday life.

I will try to sit with this in direct experience, and get back to you with comments.

Love Rasmus

[Headlesspov]

Hi Lubo,

Look with wide open eyes at what reality is
and notice, little by little, how the labels and story I, are coming by itself - by drug effect .
Only that.
Everything will begin to fall away by itself.
Just write what how it happens and you will get support.
Start with simple things from everyday life.

this is what ''I'' find when looking.

When looking directly at reality, I see space and hear sound. Then thoughts comes and goes. I do see myself labelling the thought with a label after its appears, with either an I or me in the fictive story of the thoughts. Its really nice when I keep my awareness just located on the space around me, without going to thought. Then I feel calmness and not so centered in my experience.