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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby Bananafish » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:15 am

Thanks. :) Seems like a lot of explanation is going on!

Now, other than information from sight, how or what is yourself felt to be?
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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby skb » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:20 am

Yeah thats proably fair.

Other than sight myself is felt as some tingling, the feeling of air moving over my skin. There's a sublte pulsing inside. Theres no real feeling of shape but more like pressure there in various points as well.

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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby Bananafish » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:00 am

What makes that pressure connect to what yourself is?
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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby skb » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:26 am

it connects to what my self is in the sense that my body is part of me so there’s a connection between how it feels and where those pressure points correspond to. They feel a part of my body if I think about it.

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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby Bananafish » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:36 am

Where is that "me" whose body is its part?
Can you pinpoint it?
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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby skb » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:55 am

Hmm I don’t really know. Im looking and I can’t really pin point that “me” my body is a part of anywhere other than the whole body it self. If I think about it as my body then my body is myself and those points are a part of it.

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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby Bananafish » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:25 am

If I think about it as my body then my body is myself and those points are a part of it.


What about when you don't think about anything about it?
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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby skb » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:04 pm

When I don't think anything about it. Things just are. The "I" or "myself" isn't really anywhere to be found. It all just kinda is.

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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby Bananafish » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:11 pm

Nice. :) Is that an intellectual understanding?
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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby skb » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:39 pm

It is yeah. It's also a little experiential but it feels like there's still some sort of pull to identify my body and the pressure as me even without thought even though it also feels impossible to actually identify it without thought? It's a bit confusing. I just noticed there's a really subtle visualizing of the body going on sometimes while I'm picturing the pressure. I'm trying to penetrate into the sensation more with less thought to see if it helps.

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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby Bananafish » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:06 pm

Hi. :) OK, would you keep observing the same for some more time,
and report what you found out?
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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby skb » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:18 pm

Sounds good. :)

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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby skb » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:16 am

So a couple of things I noticed today while doing some more direct observation.
It seems the pressure changes over time, it changes position and intensity with different amounts of focus or where my focus is placed.
I also noticed there is definitely an awareness present that has intelligence but doesn't require thinking. While cooking today, for example, I was making everything in flow and there was no thought involved but I was doing it all.
I also noticed it feels really good when in that state of no thought and clarity awareness and flow.

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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby Bananafish » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:33 am

there is definitely an awareness present that has intelligence but doesn't require thinking.


How is this "awareness" perceived? Is it perceived at all?
Is it separate, different from the vegetables (or meat) you cooked?
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Re: Wanting to know the truth of our reality

Postby skb » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:22 pm

It’s not really perceived, it’s like it’s the one doing the perceiving, or just perceiving is happening and I’m not doing anything. It seems to sit in awareness when there’s nothing else in the way. It’s a feeling that’s a bit hard to explain.

It doesn’t necessarily feel separate from the food in the pan but it doesn’t feel unified with it either. There’s no real identification happening in this mode.


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