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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:41 am

Hello Luchana,

Ok. Notice the thought in this very moment.
What is the experience?
I think?
Or there is an experience of a thought?
Ok, these exercises are very clear....there is an experience of thought.
Now, while sitting, touch the chair or table with your hand.
And notice what is the experience?
I sense this
Or there is a sensation of touching?
The experience is , just the experience, without thought, no "I". There is just the sensation of touching.
Listen to a sound, just pay attention to any sound.
What is the experience?
I hear the sound?
Or there is an experience of a sound?

There is no "I" necessary. It is an add on, extra, unnecessary. There is an experience of sensations, sound, not "I hear the sound".

And now notice everything
What feels more true?
I experience the reality or there is an experience of reality?
There is an experience of reality.
Play with this a whole day, many, many times as often as you can.
No thinkong, no memory, no past insights. Only raw experience.
Yes,I am continuing.


Thank you,

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:39 pm

Hi Tannis,

I will be able to reply tomorrow, just keep looking at the last exercise.

Much love.
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:23 am

Hi Tannis,

you did a very good looking.

Now, investigate this simple action of "I am writing to Luchana"

What is this?
An experience of a me, Tannis writting or it is an experience of a thought and an action?
Look for what is here, really.

Is there an I which write?

Yes? Where precisely?

No?. How writing is happening?


Be curious, like a child.

Please write also if you have noticed some difference in your daily life - actions, interactions and so on.
Report from the last days.

Much love,
Luchana
Remember. You're dreaming.

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:54 pm

Hi Tannis,

hope you are ok?

If it's possible drop a line how is it going.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:45 am

Hello Luchana,


Sorry, I really have the feeling I have been thinking about what to say! Before writing to you,

Now, investigate this simple action of "I am writing to Luchana"

What is this?
An experience of a me, Tannis writting or it is an experience of a thought and an action?
Look for what is here, really.
There is an experience of"I", or, I don't know what to call just....(." being..").....but, other aspects of the "i" are not real, or true. Memories, worries, plans, for example. So, maybe "I", is not the correct word.....there is always the same experiencing, (being), which has always been identified as "I", even as experiences change.

So, even if I don't identify this as a "name", this experiencing is here, and this experiencing is in part what was thought to be the "I". So, do some thoughts about this "I" fall away, and just the "experiencing/being " I is left?
Is there an I which write?
Ok, so actually, there is no "I" writing , but there is the experience,(or experiencing ?), of writing happening. Hmmm. Especially with writing, there is sense of choosing WHAT to say. And, I KNOW! .......I am not choosing the thoughts, or the order, so I can't be choosing the words...........there is no chooser! There is something stubborn about an inability to view choosing differently.
Yes? Where precisely?
no, there is no one, anywhere.
No?. How writing is happening?
It's just happening..... I have no idea how


Be curious, like a child.

Please write also if you have noticed some difference in your daily life - actions, interactions and so on.
Report from the last days.

Well, sometimes I feel a relief in just relaxing into an action.........cleaning the kitchen, for example. I think , I can just experience everything about a moment, without making a mental list, and going immediately to "what's next". .."what do I have to do. Take care of, be careful not to forget?"





I have been , more vocal in expressing irritation. Or, the expression of irritation just comes out of My mouth , before I have had time to think. It's more honest than biting my tongue, which is what I would do in the past.......I wonder if that's related at all, but, it is different for me.

Oh , I will have a few days alone at home. That is a delicious thought!

Thank you!

Tannis






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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:19 pm

Hi Tannis,
Sorry, I really have the feeling I have been thinking about what to say! Before writing to you,
It's ok, but now let's look :-)
There is an experience of"I", or, I don't know what to call just....(." being..").....but, other aspects of the "i" are not real, or true. Memories, worries, plans, for example. So, maybe "I", is not the correct word.....there is always the same experiencing, (being), which has always been identified as "I", even as experiences change.
By who or what is been identified as "I"?
What gives that information?

So, even if I don't identify this as a "name", this experiencing is here, and this experiencing is in part what was thought to be the "I". So, do some thoughts about this "I" fall away, and just the "experiencing/being " I is left?
Do thoughts have a power to fail away?
Ok, so actually, there is no "I" writing , but there is the experience,(or experiencing ?), of writing happening. Hmmm. Especially with writing, there is sense of choosing WHAT to say. And, I KNOW! .......I am not choosing the thoughts, or the order, so I can't be choosing the words...........there is no chooser! There is something stubborn about an inability to view choosing differently.
There is an experience yes, this is undeniable.
But is there an experiencer in the experience?
and
Is there something which is choosing the experience?

Or it is what it is.

Is there a possibility to not choose what was chosen in this very moment?

No?. How writing is happening?
It's just happening..... I have no idea how
Simple and good looking. Good job, Tannis :-)
Well, sometimes I feel a relief in just relaxing into an action.........cleaning the kitchen, for example. I think , I can just experience everything about a moment, without making a mental list, and going immediately to "what's next". .."what do I have to do. Take care of, be careful not to forget?"
Beautiful description.
I have been , more vocal in expressing irritation. Or, the expression of irritation just comes out of My mouth , before I have had time to think. It's more honest than biting my tongue, which is what I would do in the past.......I wonder if that's related at all, but, it is different for me.
Everyone is different and has a different expression. Yes, it can be said that with less thinking, actions are more spontaneous and authentic, no matter the outcome :- )

Are you familiar with Bahiya Sutta (supposedly form Buddha)? – here it is for you.

In the seen, there is only the seen,
in the heard, there is only the heard,
in the sensed, there is only the sensed,
in the cognized, there is only the cognized.
Thus you should see that
indeed there is no thing here;
this, Bahiya, is how you should train yourself.
Since, Bahiya, there is for you
in the seen, only the seen,
in the heard, only the heard,
in the sensed, only the sensed,
in the cognized, only the cognized,
and you see that there is no thing here,
you will therefore see that
indeed there is no thing there.
As you see that there is no thing there,
you will see that
you are therefore located neither in the world of this,
nor in the world of that,
nor in any place
betwixt the two.
This alone is the end of suffering.” (ud. 1.10)

Please read it several times, and check it in experience, line by line, if it’s true.
Let me know what you find.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:52 am

Hello Luchana,

I will live with the Sutra for a day.

Thank you!

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:48 am

Hello Luchana,
By who or what is been identified as "I"?
hmmm. i don't know now. since the experiencing is always here, that is"'I". It is the stable being . while everything changes, there is always "experiencing.', which is constant.

What gives that information?
good question......me. so, "I" isn't what experiencing alone is called? is "I" always connected to only the imaginary personality?
Do thoughts have a power to fail away?
no, they don't have power.

i mean, stories of a personality are seen less, or, believed less? so the "I" of experience is left...



ok, I am just getting confused, and tired.....i haven't even reached the sutra, so....i will try earlier tomorrow.

and i will keep with the beautiful simple pointing of the sutra.

Thank you!

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:37 am

Hi Luchana,

I'm, fine, just, tired. I will write more tomorrow.

thank you,

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:47 am

Hi Tannis,

good question......me. so, "I" isn't what experiencing alone is called? is "I" always connected to only the imaginary personality?
Good question really. But you are able to look and see for yourself. It is right here, right now.

Look - there is experiencing.

Is there an "I" experiencing the experience?


Look everywhere, do not leave a stone unturned, scan whole the body, search in every corner.




Much love,
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:48 am

Hi Luchana,

I'm, fine, just, tired. I will write more tomorrow.

thank you,

Tannis

Sure, take your time. The sutta needs contemplation.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:48 am

Hello Luchana,
Sure, take your time. The sutta needs contemplation.
It's very wonderful!

We say, "that's it in a nutshell!"

It contains all teachings, pointers, in its beautiful simplicity.

I am content to be with the sutta right now. (When else would I be with it?)

Thank you!


Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:03 am

Hi Tannis,
It's very wonderful!

We say, "that's it in a nutshell!"

It contains all teachings, pointers, in its beautiful simplicity.
All this is fine, but please check it in experience, line by line, if it’s true.

Let me know what you find.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Raquelflight » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:49 am

Hello Luchana,
All this is fine, but please check it in experience, line by line, if it’s true.

Let me know what you find.
ok.......I will do it line by line, and see what I find.

Thank you!

Tannis

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Re: Seems I could use a hand here

Postby Luchana » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:59 pm

Hi Tannis,

how is it going?

Are you still up for this?

Much love,
Luchana
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