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Re: Breaking through the illussion on seperation | Corona from the Netherlands

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:25 pm
by s-p-a-c-e
Corona/John is the story / the coat about a self.

Yes, although story sounds a bit 'once upon a time'. :)

This is a kind of conditioned personified perception and we use the word 'self' to describe it because our experience of it is that it has some autonomy/agency.

The human being or "no self" is not the story or the persona - but it just thinks it is that.

I'd prefer we drop the term 'no self' because we want to explore what is here, rather than not-here, or what is rather than isn't, otherwise we'll be chasing ghosts like Scooby Doo. :)

I would go as far to say that the human being is not behind this identifying with an IDEA of who I am. It's more like a conditioned behaviour to see ourselves this way.

So, corona is perfect, because it is a false crown we've adopted as 'Me'.

A story of myself to which we identify without even knowing we have done so, in some cases.

So, we're not interested in whether there is or isn't a self.

What we're interested in is what we are calling 'self' and identifying as - namely, Corona or John. It almost like we are not playing a role, but the role is playing us.

Walk with this some, and share when you're ready.

Much love,
John

Re: Breaking through the illussion on seperation | Corona from the Netherlands

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:07 pm
by Corona
Hi John,

Apparently I needed to walk with this some time... I hope you don't mind.

So what I got out of it is that the word 'self' we use to describe it - the conditioned personified perception of me / you.
And that it doesnt really matter to talk about the no self so we can focus on what is here instead of not-here.

Yes, beautiful you point it out that corona is perfect, because it is a false crown we have adopted as Me!

How would you see that the role is playing us?

Thank you so much John!

Re: Breaking through the illussion on seperation | Corona from the Netherlands

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:05 pm
by s-p-a-c-e
Hi Corona,
Apparently I needed to walk with this some time... I hope you don't mind.

That's fine. I'm busy too.

So what I got out of it is that the word 'self' we use to describe it - the conditioned personified perception of me / you.
And that it doesnt really matter to talk about the no self so we can focus on what is here instead of not-here.

Yes. When we say 'self' we can look at what we mean? Typically it's that we see ourself as a self.
And so we challenge that perception.

Starting off with, what is a self in a nutshell?
Am I this?

How would you see that the role is playing us?

The role has no agency, it's made up, like a paper puppet.