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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:57 pm

I can see there’s no separate self but you’re asking me if I’m 100% sure. I can’t be sure of anything 100%. Is that a concrete. I can’t with my hand on heart & all honesty answer yes to that question. That’s my truth

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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:51 pm

My experience is the same nothing has changed in that regard

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:59 pm

Sorry, I couldn't get what you really wanted to say; if possible,
could you just tell yes or no and not add any comments to it?


Can you be 100% honest to yourself that you've
clearly seen through the illusion that there is something concrete and
lasting called "self," separate from everything else?


Please note that I'm not asking if you are 100% sure;
I'm asking if you are 100% honest. Please take the question literally
without any interpreting it.
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:24 am

No I’m not being 100% honest

I had a glimpse the other day & it was clear there was no separate self but now it’s gone

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:57 am

Hi. :)

Could you just tell yes or no and not add any comments to it?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:01 am

No

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:24 am

Ok, thanks!

What makes you say no?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:40 am

Because nothing has changed in my experience, I don’t feel differently. I appeared to have a glimpse that was coming & going & in those moments it seemed obvious there was no separate self, separate from anything else’s & when it was gone I started to question whether it was intellectual, something I made up

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:26 pm

Because nothing has changed in my experience, I don’t feel differently.


Is it your belief that seeing it should change your feeling?
Why not enough with the simple fact that you realized it?


when it was gone I started to question whether it was intellectual


What came, and what went?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:17 pm

Yes it was my belief that something would change, it would be a more permanent knowing but that isn’t the case, it was temporary & transien which I wasn’t expecting. As a result I had a belief that there was more or something was being missed.

One moment there was just everything but no separate self, separate from anything else. Then I lost that charity & obviousness & I had to again, think & use words to explain or remind myself of what was sen. Thus made be think it was intellectual

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:29 pm

One moment there was just everything but no separate self, separate from anything else. Then I lost that charity & obviousness & I had to again, think & use words to explain or remind myself of what was sen. Thus made be think it was intellectual


Ok, you interpreted what you did, but how is it really?
Is there a concrete, lasting "self" separate from anything else?

Not talking about some past event, do you feel so now?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:07 pm

How it really is, is that there is no concrete, lasting "self" separate from anything else? Now I do not feel That there’s a separate self

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:20 am

Ok, thanks. :)

Is that your honest expression?
Do you have anything that still sticks?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:19 am

Yes it is how I honestl expression. I have nothing else that sticks :)))

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:27 am

Would you like to proceed to the final set of questions asked at
the end of conversation?
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