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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:45 am

It’s not easy to describe. Maybe it’s more accurate to say awareness is known but not by anyone because the person appears in that same awareness. It’s not imagination as the imagination also appears in awareness.

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:09 am

It’s not imagination as the imagination also appears in awareness.


How could you perceive imagination appearing in awareness, when
awareness is not known?


Is that a metaphor?
Apart from metaphorical talk, can anything be perceived to appear in something unperceivable?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:10 pm

Busy day today :) Imagination also can’t it be perceived. That was the point I was making. Nothing can be perceived because there’s no one there to perceive it. Awareness doesn’t belong to anyone.

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:45 pm

Hi. :) Hope you are well. Rob. :)


Imagination also can’t it be perceived.


Are you sure about this? Please imagine an apple. When imagining an apple, isn't
imagination being perceived?


Nothing can be perceived because there’s no one there to perceive it.


This sounds like a really crooked logic, but first of all, are you talking about your own
experience, or is this an interpretation of what you have learned somewhere?


Awareness doesn’t belong to anyone.


This you are blindly supposing that there is something called awareness.
So, I kept talking if there is any means to know such a thing exists.



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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:58 am

Hiya, I seen to be in & out of glimpses here. One minute there’s no separate self, then the self comes back.

The Apple is being perceived but there’s no perceiver. I can’t find person who is perceiving. Same with imagination & experience there is imagination & experience but no separate person imagining or experiencing. It’s just what happening.

I could also say there’s no awareness or at least, not a separate person that’s aware. In this respect nothing can be known by a separate self. Everything appears to be happening naturally on our it’s own.

To give an example A musician playing a drum set, there’s no separate instrument(drum set) & musician. The musician isn’t thinking about the next beat. Both instruments & musician are inseparable. Similarly, with life & the person. There’s no separate person playing life. The person & life are inseparable. There’s just life happening

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:31 pm

Hi Rob. :)

How does it feel to see that?
Do you feel it is an experiential understanding, rather than an
intellectual one?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:26 am

It feels good, I feel lighter.

There’s just experience

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:29 am

Do you feel it is an experiential understanding, rather than an
intellectual one?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:32 am

I feel it’s experiential

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:45 am

Can you be 100% honest to yourself that you've
clearly seen through the illusion that there is something concrete and
lasting called "self," separate from everything else?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:01 am

There’s nothing separate from anything else. There’s no separate self. I could equally say there’s just everything & nothing Is separate from that. In that regard it’s concrete

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:23 am

Can you be 100% honest to yourself that you've
clearly seen through the illusion that there is something concrete and
lasting called "self," separate from everything else?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:43 am

When it’s here is obvious & I’m sure. When it’s not here, I’m not sure. The clarity comes & goes

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:26 am

Ok, please answer in either yes or no.
I'm doing this on purpose, so I hope you don't doubt whether
I'm serious or not.


So here you go again.


Can you be 100% honest to yourself that you've
clearly seen through the illusion that there is something concrete and
lasting called "self," separate from everything else?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:47 am

No I can’t be 100% sure


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