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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:33 am

Do you mean that that feeling isn't there when there is no thought
of inside or looking out?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:56 pm

Feeling is there when there’s no thought

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:17 am

That seems to contradict what you wrote before.

What is that feeling? Is it thought? Image? Sensation? Or anything else?
Please don't guess, but actually observe and answer.
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:49 am

It was a contradiction but on closer observation feeling is there and it doesn’t need a thought. The feeling is a sensation

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:13 am

What kind of sensation is the sensation of "something looking out" or "there being an inside"?
Can a sensation look out?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:02 pm

It’s the feeling or sensation in body of being alive, breathing, heart beating. A sensation can’t look out

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:19 pm

What is "the feeling of sensation?" Is it different from sensation?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:00 pm

The sensation feels like aliveness in the body. The feeling of sensation is the same as the sensation

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:42 am

The sensation feels like aliveness in the body.


Are aliveness and body different? Please note that I'm not telling you
they are the same; just asking a question.
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:15 am

They feel different. The body feels physical whereas aliveness feels non physical.

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:59 pm

Could you tell how something "non physical" is perceived?

Thought? Imagination? Sensation? Or else?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:23 pm

It’s something else. Everything is perceived by awareness itself. It’s not a thing, it’s nothing to do with the body. There’s is only awareness for nobody. Nothing is aware

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:34 pm

And do how is what you call "awareness" known?

What makes you say that "everything is perceived by awareness itself?"
Is it a idea or not?
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Re: Liberation

Postby RobDjemil » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:14 am

Awareness isn’t known,

Saying everything is perceived by awareness is misleading. There’s no perceiver, it’s just awareness without anyone being aware

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Re: Liberation

Postby Bananafish » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:09 am

How could one say "it’s just awareness without anyone being aware," when
awareness is not known?


Are you imagining it?
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