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beingmetta
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Re: Looking to lose the me

Postby beingmetta » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:09 pm

Hi Vivien,
nothings happening inside anything.
the thought inside is a sticky one.
And where does this thought sticking to?
-there is nothing/no one for the thought to get stuck to.
A thought isnt truth.
I cannot Experiance Cole or the brain.
There is thoughts/imagination creating a story about Cole and how he has a brain there is a feeling of Cole. But what seems like is not real.
I cannot see,touch, feel, hear, or smell Cole or the brain
The thoughts just happen.. Thoughts are happening sensations are happening but not TO ANYONE or IN ANYTHING..
How much of this is seen to be an experiential fact, and how much of it is just an intellectual understanding? 50/50? Less? More?
50/intellectual /50 Experiance

looking back at our past threads:
This seeing cannot happen by accepting it as a new idea or a belief.
This cannot be learned. It can only be seen experientially.
When something new is brought up into inquiry there is thoughts/beliefs that come up to solve the problem. intellectual information learned previously that must be thrown aside,There is this thought oh wait I know this one!!!!!.
Every inquiry must be seen through Experiance Everytime.

When I look in Experiance there is thought/imagination happening, telling a story about a me in/out of anything.

When I look for someone for these thoughts to be happening too. I can't find anyone in Experiance... I can't see them, touch them, hear them, smell them or feel them

When I look in Experiance there is no in/out of anywhere there is just happening. I can't see this in/out, I can't feel it, I can't hear it, I can't smell it, touch it,
There is no I to be confused.
There is no I typing the responce.
There is no I who needs to understand
There is no I having thoughts there is just thoughts happening
There is no I to feel the emotions. They may seem like there owned but that's no real there just more sensations happening
Thoughts are not real.

This inquiry has seen through the lies to see happening
Thoughts happening
Experiance happening




Cheers
Cole

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Vivien
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Re: Looking to lose the me

Postby Vivien » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:39 am

Hi Cole,
I cannot Experiance Cole or the brain.

Who/what is it that cannot experience Cole or the brain?
What is it that is trying to experience it?
I cannot see,touch, feel, hear, or smell Cole or the brain
What is it that cannot see, touch, feel, etc. Cole or the brain?
Every inquiry must be seen through Experiance Everytime.
Exactly! This is essential.

Where is the person in this very moment?
When I look in Experience
What is it that is doing the looking?
What is making looking happen?


Vivien
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Re: Looking to lose the me

Postby beingmetta » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:10 am

Hello Vivien
I cannot Experiance Cole or the brain.
Who/what is it that cannot experience Cole or the brain?
there is no Experiancer just Just experience.

What is it that is trying to experience it?
I cannot see,touch, feel, hear, or smell Cole or the brain
A thought is trying to label Experiance there is no Experiancer
What is it that cannot see, touch, feel, etc. Cole or the brain?
That is a thought trying to label Experiance
There is seeing, touching, feeling, hearing but no I doing it. just thoughts labelling Experiance
Where is the person in this very moment?
There is no person just sensations being labelled by thoughts

When I look in Experience
What is it that is doing the looking?
There is no doer there is just looking And thoughts labelling Experiance
What is making looking happen?
There is nothing making anything happen there is just happening without a doer


Cole

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Re: Looking to lose the me

Postby Vivien » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:17 am

Hi Cole,

Thank you for your responses.
There is nothing making anything happen there is just happening without a doer
How’s does it feel to see this?
What has changed in normal everyday experience since the start of this conversation?
What hasn’t changed?
What is the main difference?

Vivien
The most profound discoveries arise from questioning the obvious.

Website: https://www.viviennovak.com/

Blog: https://fadingveiling.com/

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Re: Looking to lose the me

Postby beingmetta » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:51 am

Hi Vivien,
Went away on a last minute trip into the forest for a couple days just got back.

How’s does it feel to see this?
Sensations happen that are felt, but there is no I to feel them. There is labels coming up but no one for them to stick too.
While There is a story created about the feelings they are not happening to a "me" and never were.....the story of Cole continues to unfold and is observed without an observer. No change in the story of Cole because of this



What has changed in normal everyday experience since the start of this conversation?
Everyday Experiance before this conversation included Experiance and thought that was identified with as a self searching for answers.
In everyday Experiance now, there is the Experiance and thoughts but no identification with them.
There is no I there, just thoughts happening creating beliefs and stories on there own


What hasn’t changed?
There is no stop to "good" or "negative" feelings
There is still plenty of thoughts
There is still a story of Cole

What is the main difference?
Everything happening, happens regardless of identification.
The beliefs about the stories and thoughts about a doer are not believed anymore and its seen they never were truth.
There is no I to be disconnected from, there is a story about Cole that is see through, Rather then identified with.
Sensations are observed and felt without an observer or a feeler at the center of them.


Cheers,
Cole

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Re: Looking to lose the me

Postby Vivien » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:16 am

Hi Cole,
Sensations happen that are felt, but there is no I to feel them. There is labels coming up but no one for them to stick too.
While There is a story created about the feelings they are not happening to a "me" and never were.....the story of Cole continues to unfold and is observed without an observer. No change in the story of Cole because of this
So you’ve discovered one of the biggest discoveries one can have, that you, who you believed yourself to be in your whole doesn’t exist other than a concept, and you say there is no emotional reaction to this discovery?

Can you point to the moment in the inquiry when there has been a shift from an intellectual understanding of there being no separate self to an experiential recognition of it?

If there were such shift, could please tell how the shift itself was felt?

Vivien
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