How do I get unabiding awakening?

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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby MichaelD » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:16 pm

Hi Ben,

Yes, take your time.

Samsara, the self, the dreamstate, whatever you want to call it - woven by thought...

Have a good look.

Michael.

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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby ben09 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:22 am

Hi Ben,

Yes, take your time.

Samsara, the self, the dreamstate, whatever you want to call it - woven by thought...

Have a good look.

Michael.
Hi, Michael.

Thank you for the suggestion to look at nature. I do believe that I’m exactly like the bees. There is no bee inside the bee deciding what to do. There is just the ‘beeing’ doing what bees do. I’m also like that.

Ben.


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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby MichaelD » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:02 am

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the suggestion to look at nature. I do believe that I’m exactly like the bees. There is no bee inside the bee deciding what to do. There is just the ‘beeing’ doing what bees do. I’m also like that.

So how do you feel seeing this?

Is there still any belief in a separate self?

Michael

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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby ben09 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:39 am


So how do you feel seeing this?

Is there still any belief in a separate self?

Michael
I feel a sense of partial accomplishment. Something like: ‘ok, I got I’m guided by some programming’. So what now?

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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby MichaelD » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:02 pm

Hi Ben,

Yes, there is programming (conditioning) running.

So where are you in relation to a separate self?

Is there one?

If so where (is the identification)?

Michael

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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby ben09 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:47 pm


So where are you in relation to a separate self?

Is there one?

If so where (is the identification)?

Michael
I believe that there is no separate self. I believe that there is this programming running and I’m observing it to happen.


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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby ben09 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:47 pm


So where are you in relation to a separate self?

Is there one?

If so where (is the identification)?

Michael
I believe that there is no separate self. I believe that there is this programming running and I’m observing it to happen.


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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby MichaelD » Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:46 pm

Hi Ben,

You say you believe there is no separate self.

So are you saying there has been a shift?

What, if anything, has changed since you saw there is no separate self?

Michael

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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby ben09 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:18 pm

Thank you, Michael.
Hi Ben,

You say you believe there is no separate self.

So are you saying there has been a shift?
Yes. There has been a shift in my understanding. I now believe that the programming is running and deciding.

What, if anything, has changed since you saw there is no separate self?
I believe that so far, the change has been only on the intellectual level. I can't see that discovery leading to anything yet.

Ben.


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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby MichaelD » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:15 pm

Hi Ben,

Thanks. So that is at least clear.

So how do you experience having a separate self right now?

Michael

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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby ben09 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:40 pm

Hi Ben,

Thanks. So that is at least clear.

So how do you experience having a separate self right now?

Michael
I’ve discovered that I don’t experience having a separate self. But I still have the sensation of ‘being in the control room’ - either learned or a due to a mind glitch - doesn’t matter.

So I feel like I've seen an optical illusion: you've shown me that the lines are in fact parallel, but on my daily life, I still see it oblique.

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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby MichaelD » Fri May 01, 2020 6:12 pm

Hi Ben,
So I feel like I've seen an optical illusion: you've shown me that the lines are in fact parallel, but on my daily life, I still see it oblique.
Ok, - so not a shift yet.....

I’ve discovered that I don’t experience having a separate self. But I still have the sensation of ‘being in the control room’ - either learned or a due to a mind glitch
So what or where is this sensation?

How does beng in the control manifest?

Mchael

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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby MichaelD » Fri May 01, 2020 6:13 pm

Hi Ben,

So I feel like I've seen an optical illusion: you've shown me that the lines are in fact parallel, but on my daily life, I still see it oblique.

Ok, - so not a shift yet.....
I’ve discovered that I don’t experience having a separate self. But I still have the sensation of ‘being in the control room’ - either learned or a due to a mind glitch

So what, or where, is this sensation?

How does being in the 'control room' manifest?

Mchael

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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby ben09 » Sat May 02, 2020 5:46 am

Hi Ben,
So I feel like I've seen an optical illusion: you've shown me that the lines are in fact parallel, but on my daily life, I still see it oblique.
Ok, - so not a shift yet.....
I can't say if there wasn't a shift. Because I don't know what kind of change I'm looking for. And I'm aware of that long list of ’what this work is not’.
I’ve discovered that I don’t experience having a separate self. But I still have the sensation of ‘being in the control room’ - either learned or a due to a mind glitch
So what or where is this sensation?

How does being in the control manifest?
The sensation is the feeling that I could have made other decisions, and that I can still decide about my future.

Ben.


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Re: How do I get unabiding awakening?

Postby MichaelD » Sat May 02, 2020 10:25 am

Hi Ben,

It will be known when a shift has occurred and no= self realised. Could be dramatic, could be gentle over the course of a few days but you will definitely know.
I’ve discovered that I don’t experience having a separate self. But I still have the sensation of ‘being in the control room’ - either learned or a due to a mind glitch

So what or where is this sensation?

How does being in the control manifest?

The sensation is the feeling that I could have made other decisions, and that I can still decide about my future.

No cheating on the next bit!! - I WILL ASK YOU TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN READ THE REST OF THIS POST AND ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Go now to your bookshelf and choose your next book to read......and then come back to this thread.









Could it have been a different book?

Or was that how life flowed and you labelled the thinking process as 'your' thought, 'your' choice?


Notce the same when music is selected. It is what it is.......could it be any diferrent?


What is selected, is what is selected.....Does it have to be claimed by an 'I'?

Michael


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