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Re: help john see

Postby johnthehuman » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:26 pm

"What is this I when I drop the thinking?: it's a sense of experiencing

"I think it's in my head" means it feels like it's in my head. (I was using "i think" to note uncertainty, confusing wording!).

"What is growing from an egg/sperm?": the capacity to have an experience.

"Can you directly perceive your growing from an egg/sperm": No.

RE illusions/mirages: Yes. I understand. Believing that something is there doesn't ipso facto make it real.

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Re: help john see

Postby Bananafish » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:33 pm

it's a sense of experiencing
Is that sense located in anywhere particular?

What about if you didn't know anything about "head" "brain"
"inside or "outside"? Pretend that you're a baby that doesn't know
any of these words.

I was using "i think" to note uncertainty
You're uncertain; nice! "Not knowing is the most intimate."
What can you say with 100% certainty about "you"?

the capacity to have an experience.
What does this refer to, when you drop the thoughts "capacity" and
"experience"?
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Re: help john see

Postby Bananafish » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:40 pm

Actually, you've made a really good point!
"I think"s are uncertainty. :) Thoughts indicate uncertainty,
even the ones that seem to show certainty about something.
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Re: help john see

Postby johnthehuman » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:45 pm

Actually, you've made a really good point!
"I think"s are uncertainty. :) Thoughts indicate uncertainty,
even the ones that seem to show certainty about something.
I see. A thought isn't something real. Like a car or bus.

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Is that sense located in anywhere particular?

What about if you didn't know anything about "head" "brain"
"inside or "outside"? Pretend that you're a baby that doesn't know
any of these words.
I'm not sure. It's hard to say. At the center of experience?
What can you say with 100% certainty about "you"?
That there's a sense of being me. Beyond that, I'm not sure.
What does this refer to, when you drop the thoughts "capacity" and
"experience"?
I’m not clear on what you’re asking.

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Re: help john see

Postby johnthehuman » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:47 pm

I may THINK I've parked my car in row H, but my car may actually be parked in row A

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Re: help john see

Postby johnthehuman » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:49 pm

I may THINK i've parked my car in row A, but in REALITY it's parked in row G

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Re: help john see

Postby Bananafish » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:54 pm

At the center of experience?
What if you drop the concepts "center" and "experience"?
Could you simply point with your finger at where it is?
Please take this direction literally, and literally point at it
with your finger. What do you see there?

there's a sense of being me.
Does that sense have to "sense of being me" instead of "sense"?
Does it have to be related to "me"?

I’m not clear on what you’re asking.
What is your direct perception of "the capacity to have an experience"?
Can you see, hear, touch, taste, smell, or even imagine it?
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Re: help john see

Postby johnthehuman » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:01 am

What if you drop the concepts "center" and "experience"?
If I drop those concepts the sentence doesn't make any sense. It would read: "At the of"
Could you simply point with your finger at where it is?
I pointed to my temple. Visually I see black because my eyes are closed. I experience/see a thought "I'm pointing to my temple".
Does that sense have to "sense of being me" instead of "sense"?
Does it have to be related to "me"?
No, i guess it doesn't have to be.
What is your direct perception of "the capacity to have an experience"?
Can you see, hear, touch, taste, smell, or even imagine it?
I'm not sure. No I can't see, hear, touch, taste, smell or even imagine it.


I feel relatively confused. We have multiple conversation threads going at once. I think it may be more clear for me if we did one question/answer at a time. Do you think that's a good idea?

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Re: help john see

Postby Bananafish » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:07 am

Sure! Let's do that.

I pointed to my temple. Visually I see black because my eyes are closed. I experience/see a thought "I'm pointing to my temple".

Please for the time being ignore that thought and focus on your direct experience that doesn't need
thought intervention. Do you see the "I" located there, where you see black?
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Re: help john see

Postby johnthehuman » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:08 am

Negative. Just black.

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Re: help john see

Postby Bananafish » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:09 am

Do you hear the "I" located there, where you see black?
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Re: help john see

Postby johnthehuman » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:10 am

Negative.

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Re: help john see

Postby Bananafish » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:11 am

Can you touch the "I" located there, where you see black?
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Re: help john see

Postby johnthehuman » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:12 am

Nope.

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Re: help john see

Postby Bananafish » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:13 am

Do you smell the "I" located there, where you see black?
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